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AMD Ryzen™ 3 2200G + ZOTAC GTX 1050 Ti

by sluigi96

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80 Comments

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Date Published

Feb. 20, 2018

CPU Clock Rate

3.5 GHz

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.303 GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

7 GHz

Description

Time Lapse PC Build [ https://youtu.be/Vl94Q1N3ek8 ]

Not my personal rig. Built it for my Youtube channel cause I need more content/videos. I already made a Ryzen 3 build a few months ago. Used the 1050 Ti because I have it on hand and want to compare the Vega integrated graphics.

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yveshe 5 Builds 3 points 14 months ago

Good job on the build! Great cable management!

1+

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Thank You. Cable management is tough if you want to make it look super clean. I had to run the front panel connectors and USB 3.0 cable literally behind the motherboard. [ Uploaded more pictures showing the cables ]

yveshe 5 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

That's what's wrong a cable like the USB 3.0 on Cases like Rosewill. But nonetheless you did a hell of a job, especially considering the Case and a non-modular ATX. I'm quite inspired as well, because it looks really hard from my experience.

Kydes 2 points 14 months ago

I see you have Intel Optane in the first picture, does it work with this build? And also do you have benchmarks for your build?

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

it doesn't work. my big mistake on that one

Kydes 1 point 14 months ago

Okay thanks.

aprofile 3 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Why the Apu and dedicated graphics card?

LeMMingSlayeR 23 Builds 8 points 14 months ago

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/m441832vs3931

The 2200G is $5 cheaper than the Ryzen 1200 and performs 10% better. Even if you don't plan on using the integrated Vega graphics, it's still a really good quad-core for the price. And it sure doesn't hurt to have a backup graphics solution on hand in case something happens to the 1050ti.

aprofile 3 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

Not sure about the 10% difference but I do understand your point about the backup. I think the 2200g has a different ccx config as well as its higher stock clocks but pretty much every ryzen board supports overclocking including the one used in this build so the clocks don't make much difference. The r3 1200 has double the cache too

Saiku 2 points 14 months ago

holy cow i didn't realize that until now nice to know

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LeMMingSlayeR 23 Builds 3 points 14 months ago

I've ran the benchmarks on that particular site with every computer I've built (quite a few) and I have found it to be very accurate in terms of measuring overall performance. If I put all my builds in a line according to those reported scores, I would see a definite scaling from best to worst in terms of performance. What I like about Userbenchmark is that you actually download a benchmarking tool to your computer and run it. It tests the major components in your system and breaks down performance of the CPU, memory, storage drives, and graphics giving you performance metrics of each component.

I understand that these tests are overly broad and not specific to each individual user-task. That being said, it is a very good overall test to gauge a computer's relative performance in common tasks.

You may be thinking of sites like GPUBoss, yes I agree those are way off a lot of the time and do not actually test individual systems, rather they draw data from other sites and pretty much just mash them all up together.

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HamFather 5 Builds 6 points 14 months ago

Why in the world would you think that? The 2200g has a 300 MHz speed increase and is a revised and refreshed product. Saying they perform the same, well that would be like saying the i5-6500 and i5-7500 perform the same which is just not true.

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

he wanted to be the first on the site with a 2200g

renan_rlr 1 point 14 months ago

The best of both worlds?

aprofile 3 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

Possibly but the integrated graphics are not gonna get used

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Youtube channel purposes. I have the 1050 Ti on hand so I just threw it on the build. Besides, I am gonna do game benchmarks comparing the 1050 ti and the integrated vega graphics.

aprofile 3 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Fair enough. Wasn't criticising build (I like it), just a little confused

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

I completely understand your point. Especially when graphic card prices are skyrocketing high. Thank You!

aprofile 3 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Yeah its crazy. It stopped for a while for nvidia GPUs here in the UK but the prices have gone back up to mad ones

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

I've edited my description. Please read it. It's just a content for my Youtube Channel.

aprofile 3 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Ok

KevinMoondust 11 Builds 0 points 14 months ago

Same here. A 1200 would've been a better choice, and since they are being discontinued in favour of the 2200G, they could've saved some extra cash because I'm sure the 1200s will be left at lower or clearance prices soon. The dedicated graphics at least mean that they won't be left stranded if they ever sell the GPU and can't find a better one for a decent price. But still...

LeMMingSlayeR 23 Builds 3 points 14 months ago

It's possible prices will drop on the 1200 soon, but right now the 2200G is actually $5 cheaper and still performs (CPU only of course) about 10% better overall compared to the 1200. For the here and now, I would definitely go with the 2200g. even if you don't plan on using the iGPU, it is there and basically free when compared with the 1200.

KevinMoondust 11 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

While only one CCX is the definite reason for improvement in performance, it pains me a bit that L3 cache was halved here, same with PCI-E 3.0 lanes. But if indeed R3 1200 prices are higher than R3 2200G right now, then yes, indeed the APU is no-brainer,

LeMMingSlayeR 23 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Most users buying the lowest-priced processor on the line aren't going to be utilizing all the PCI lanes anyway, as you probably aren't going to crossfire or SLI anything on this system. I would say that the lesser amount of L3 will likely be offset by the increased performance of a single CCX.

KevinMoondust 11 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

Depends on the application. If you're gaming, the lesser amount of L3 is negligible. On more productive tasks, its on a case-by-case scenario. As for the PCI-E lanes, while I'm not saying or expecting a Ryzen G user to CF or SLI any cards, I do believe it's a bummer to have the bandwidth of, say 16x PCI-E 2.0 considering that while the bus isn't fully utilized by GPUs anyway, there is a negligible loss in performance.

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Please read my description. Thank You!

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aprofile 3 Builds 3 points 14 months ago
  1. Yes
  2. No, if both are overclocked, you get better perf with ryzen 3 1200 because it can be overclocked higher and has no graphics on die as well as double the l3 cache
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aprofile 3 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

My PC has intel hd and an integrated GPU but no intel chips have no integrated graphics apart from some xeons

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aprofile 3 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

I know. I said that NO intel chips have NO integrated GPU apart from some xeons

tragiktimes101 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

Not gonna lie, you confused me for a minute with that double negative. :)

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ch1cken_dude 1 Build 0 points 14 months ago

yeah, I am confused too!

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tragiktimes101 1 Build 0 points 14 months ago

Cause the dedicated can't play your Crisis or GTAV on near High 60fps. I dont understand why not to, a dedicated, even for a apu

You know, there is a method of putting words together where they actually make sense, right?

Jersey.Devils 0 points 14 months ago

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted, what you said is true, Crazycatman's "Sentence" is illegible.

BEATINGMYSON -1 points 14 months ago

So true

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amccoy20 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

I would have just gone ryzen 3 if you were gonna go with the 1050ti, but nice build anyways

tragiktimes101 1 Build 7 points 14 months ago

Well, then you're in luck. They did go with a Ryzen 3...2200G.

hirokie 1 point 12 months ago

LUL

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Thank You! Not my personal rig. Youtube purposes :D Honestly though, I just thought about that after your comment.

napreaux 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

I dig it. Especially that case. Very well put together build

iEclipze 1 point 14 months ago

How were you able to use that motherboard since it doesn't support the new Ryzen CPU's? I'm curious because I'm planning on building a PC with the Ryzen 2200G and I need to know how to make the MB compatible with the CPU.

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

It is compatible, you just have to update the bios using an older ryzen cpu. For me, I asked my local computer store to do it for me.

iEclipze 1 point 14 months ago

Is it possible to ask the motherboard company to update for me?

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

I think you can but you would probably have to send the motherboard directly to them. They might cover the shipping cost or you pay for it. If you are buying from a well-known site/store (newegg/amazon) try asking a customer rep if they could do it for you.

JheyoDELperu 1 point 14 months ago

Great pc! nice!

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Thanks!

Bappy 1 point 14 months ago

Nice Work! Love the cable management.

Did you update the MoBo BiOS before hand (to support RavenRidge CPU)? Or you managed to post and update the bios with the new CPU?

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Thanks! The technicians at the store where I bought the mobo updated the bios for me.

Waterlemon121 1 point 14 months ago

how did you get the ryzen 2200g to work because every motherboard I try to get with it on pc part picker comes up with you need a bios update and all that stuff?

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

yes. you need to update the bios with a previous ryzen cpu

Waterlemon121 1 point 14 months ago

arnt AMD giving out free CPU for the bios update for the ryzen 2200g so they can update the motherboard to fit the ryzen 2200g I think it was like a A-6xxx something. Though you have to return the CPU but no the fan for the CPU.

T_Conra 1 point 14 months ago

So glad I came across this!! I am planning on doing the same exact thing! I will just be doing some live streaming with my Xbox One Console through the PC! would the iGPU be enough to do a 720 live stream. And also if we were to take the extra video card you got out of the equation, how does it perform with video editing? Looks pretty similiar to my build! Nice!

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

I actually just ran GTA V earlier and I'm getting 1-5 FPS with the Integrated Vega Graphics. I saw a video on Youtube showing this PC running GTA at 720p and getting over 60 FPS. I'm not really sure how powerful the iGPU on this one is.

ProGamingIsCheap 1 point 13 months ago

Did you have to update the bios

Nater650 1 point 12 months ago

How did you manage to find a GTX 1050 Ti for $237.03?

hirokie 1 point 12 months ago

You can find them cheaper for 190..

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 1 point 12 months ago

Bought it last year. Fyi, prices have gone up this year and are actually starting to go lower again this month.

jakster840 6 Builds 1 point 10 months ago

Did you have to update the bios of the mobo before using the 2200G?

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 2 points 10 months ago

yes

Edeniseven 1 point 10 months ago

I want to build this and I have a few questions (I'm new to this so don't judge)

  1. Can it stream?

  2. Can you find the GTX 1050 Ti anywhere else for cheaper?

CravinR1 5 Builds 1 point 27 days ago

Why would anyone consider a 1050ti for the price of a RX 580. A 8 gb 570 is much faster and under $140.

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tragiktimes101 1 Build 2 points 14 months ago

Others are telling you to wait for 1200 prices to drop, or wondering why you're mixing IGPU with a graphics card, but it looks like they know nothing about computers.

Probably because the actual CPU performance of the 2200G lacks compared to the 1200 slightly. And, it has a halved L3 cache.

Now, it's good to have integrated graphics for troubleshooting (and I get this being a deciding factor). But, if you are talking about $5 being the reason to go with a slightly weaker chip....that just seems silly.

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tragiktimes101 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

A halved L3 cache can make a difference in CPU performance, especially in regards to games.

And, no, the 2200G does not outperform the 1200 in CPU performance. Here is a thorough benchmark conducted on game performance. As you can see, in most cases the 1200 beats the 2200G. And, given that these are running at base clocks with the 1200 (3.1 stock / 3.4 turbo) sitting firmly behind the 2200G (3.5 stock / 3.7 turbo) when the 1200 beats the 2200G, it would beat it even harder if frequencies were standardized. Also, in the instances the 2200G beats the 1200, the 1200 would likely make up that gap and equal or outperform the 2200G if standardizing frequencies.

So, a) would you like to explain how the 2200G "outperforms " the 1200 and b) would you like to provide proof with benchmarks and quantitative figures?

LeMMingSlayeR 23 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

There were only 3 games compared in that article between that showed results for both the 1200 and the 2200g, and both CPUs were paired with a GTX 1080.

Rise of the Tomb Raider -

 Ryzen 1200 @1080p- 123FPS / @1440p- 91FPS

 Ryzen 2200G @1080p- 126FPS / @1440p- 89FPS

Ghost Recon Wildlands -

 Ryzen 1200 @1080p- 83FPS / @1440p- 68FPS

 Ryzen 2200G @1080p- 80FPS / @1440p- 62FPS

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

  Ryzen 1200 @1080p- 77FPS / @1440p- 68FPS

  Ryzen 2200G @1080p- 87FPS / @1440p- 68FPS

OK. First off let me say that niether one of these processors should never be paired with a GTX1080 (or equivalent) card in any real gaming machine. It's just a waste of a 1080. This is a budget level CPU/APU and will most commonly be paired with either a GTX 1050ti/1060 or RX570/580. It should have been tested as such for real-world results. Pairing these processors with a GTX 1080 artificially creates a massive system bottleneck at the CPU which typical end-users will never experience.

Second, even assuming that someone would build a Ryzen 1200 / GTX1080 rig for 1440p gaming, the largest lead the 1200 had over the 2200G was 6FPS (Ghost Recon @ 1440p).

If we strictly look at the 1080p numbers the largest lead was in Deus Ex, where the 2200G gained 10FPS over the 1200.

I would expect that if these two processors were tested against eachother while paired with GPUs in their own weight class, we would see results within margin of error.

Can't we all just get along?

tragiktimes101 1 Build 4 points 14 months ago

Pairing these processors with a GTX 1080 artificially creates a massive system bottleneck at the CPU which typical end-users will never experience.

You want a system bottleneck on the CPU when testing CPU performance....that let's you know that it was the CPU that was holding things back. Otherwise you'll have to play the game of "was it the CPU or the GPU that limited frames there?" That's just not how testing is conducted. You will notice this methodology is standard.

econd, even assuming that someone would build a Ryzen 1200 / GTX1080 rig for 1440p gaming, the largest lead the 1200 had over the 2200G was 6FPS (Ghost Recon @ 1440p).

Yes, this was the largest lead the 1200 had...while running at lower clock speeds. Standardize clockspeeds and margins would widen.

OK. First off let me say that niether one of these processors should never be paired with a GTX1080 (or equivalent) card in any real gaming machine.

This is absolutely not how it works. You don't pick a CPU based on your GPU and you don't do the reverse either. You pick a CPU primarily for the frame rates you want and a GPU for the resolution you want. Pairing a G4560 with a GTX 1080 ti makes perfect sense if you are building a purely gaming rig that is going for 4K @ 60 fps.

Can't we all just get along?

Yes, but that doesn't mean we can just let fiction fly as fact. People are spending money based on suggestions gained here. So if I see a bad suggestion, I am going to call it what it is.

Sinoman 1 point 12 months ago

Luigi , you are losing gfx perf by having only a single stick of ram, very significant loss, you also lose some perf by only having 2400mhz ram , 3000mhz would go better. But great stuff , I intend to build something in a small case when RAM prices are better £100 for 2x4gb , still, even in 03042018.

sluigi96 submitter 4 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

Thank You! I did actually ended up buying the zotac for that price lol. I am gonna keep the 1050 ti and use it for future builds on my channel. I already did a ryzen 3 1200 video as well so I made this one. Not my personal rig. Youtube thing :D