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Built a machine to play BF4 with my son in law. Runs smooth and fast.

Comments

  • 66 months ago
  • 10 points

Could of done way better for the price.

  1. That 16gb of ram is a waste since games don't utilize all of it
  2. Why the i3 4360? For the same price or even less, an amd fx 8320 would of been a better choice.
  3. The motherboard is expensive, an h81, b85, or h87/h97 chipset would suite the i3 fine since you can't overclock it
  4. Should of spent money upgrading your cpu/gpu rather than spending it on an ssd
  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

To be entirely fair, the i3-4360 performs better than the FX-8320 in most games. Exceptions being the rare octa-core ones, like Crysis 3 or BF4.

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

Not true at all

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

That is entirely true. Would you like me to link benchmarks?

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

After overclocking the 8320, you get an 8350's performance. Sure, link some benchmarks. The i3 will obviously win in any single core benchmark.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

Here are some benchmarks in real games, of the i3-4340 easily beating the FX-8350. I couldn't find any data on the i3-4360, but the only difference is that the i3-4360 is 100mhz higher.

http://i.imgur.com/o0cY3Bg.png http://i.imgur.com/gmshZzy.png http://i.imgur.com/jKHcNEO.png http://i.imgur.com/wM6ZaA5.png

  • 66 months ago
  • 6 points

To address everyone's concerns about the i3, the Haswell i3s are considerably capable in gaming. In case you've all forgotten, it's the same core inside the rest of the Core i and Xeon E3 lineup, at a higher clock than some entry level i5s such as the 443/4440/4460. This all translates into good gaming performance, and IPC that no FX CPU of the Vishera series can hope to match below at least 4GHz. If there's a CPU that can bottleneck the GTX 770 in 1080p BF4 at stock speeds, it'll be the FX-6300, and the FX-6300 does just fine. Heavy video editing is also not a purpose for this build. And for the last damn time, the FX-8350 is not an 8-core CPU. It has 4 Piledriver CMT modules.

That being said, the i3 is a terrible choice in this build. The only reasonably priced Haswell i3s are the i3-4130/4150 and i4-4330. The others are hopelessly overpriced for a 100-200mhz baseclock increase that does not make any difference in multithreaded games. And BF4 is an example of such a game. It's not that the i3-4330 cannot handle BF4; it is far superior to comparable CPUs such as the FX-4350 and perhaps on the same level as the FX-6300 in BF4 strictly. But this i3-4360 has no place in a $1290 build.

It, and its stock cooler, also look extremely awkward next to the $170 Sabertooth and 16GB of Vengeance Pro RAM. BF4 does not need 16GB of RAM (but if you really want it then I can understand), and the i3-4360 completely defeats the purpose of the Z97 board. If Z97 was a cheaper route than H97, then I would completely agree; this is not the case here. On the other hand, I can understand getting a Z97 board and a cheap Haswell CPU so a Broadwell upgrade to a better processor is completely possible.

I do, however, agree with your choice of 840 EVO for this build. Any build $1100-1200 and above should include an SSD.

Not a fan of Corsair CXM. At all. It works, but it's not a good PSU. By a long stretch.

  • 66 months ago
  • 3 points

This guy has the right points.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

Actually, the i3-4360 doesn't just have a couple hundred mhz increase. The reason the price shoots up so fast after the i3-4150 is because everything higher increases the L3 cache as well. The i3-4360 has a 30% higher L3 cache than the i3-4150, in addition to the 200mhz increase. Although it doesn't entirely justify the price increase, it's not quite as basic of a change as it appears to be.

And after looking at benchmarks extensively before deciding on an i3-4360 for my build, even the i3-4150 readily outperforms the FX-8350 in many games.

Your other points, I agree with.

  • 66 months ago
  • 3 points

I meant that the jump from 3.5GHz to 3.7GHz is completely unjustified because the i3-4330 at 3.5 costs about $125 while the i3-4360 at 3.7 costs $159; another $30 and one could afford a i5-4590.

I agree with what you're saying though, the 4MB of L3 is why the i3-4330 still looks more appealing than the i3-4150 even though the 4150 is cheaper and newer. Not to mention that the i3-4360 still only has 4MB of L3 which further un-justifies its price.

  • 66 months ago
  • 4 points

I think people are giving you way too much **** for getting an i3 when they perform just fine. Plus 1150 motherboards (especially 9 series ones) have a lot of great features that aren't available on AM3/AM3+ which is the usual for this price point.

There are a couple things you could have done better though. Assuming that this computer is just for gaming, you could have gotten away with 8GB of RAM and save yourself $70. I personally would have spent a bit more to get a Maximus VII Hero motherboard because of the great onboard audio it comes with, but that's just preference, and there's nothing wrong with the Sabertooth.

This is a great build, and I think it's getting some uncalled for criticism because of the processor. It has great cable management, it has a nice aesthetic, and most importantly it'll perform great. Good job :).

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

I agree. Especially since it takes an FX-8350 to even match an i3-4360, and even then the i3 usually wins.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

You should have gotten 8gb of RAM and spent the extra cash on an i5.

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

OR i7 FOr a good i7, it cost less then 350$

  • 66 months ago
  • -1 points

i7 is useless for gaming

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  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

Bragging rights are meaningless.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

I agree that you could've saved money on the MOBO and RAM and used it for a better CPU, perhaps i5 but I disagree with people saying you don't need a SSD. Any computer today should have a SSD if you have the funds. Anyway, I gave you a +1, although there were some areas you could have balanced a bit more, it is a good build and should allow you to have fun with the kid.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

So much criticism. I researched this build for a while. The build is for my son in law to join me in rounds of BF4. I chose the i3-4360 because it ranks very high in the current CPU hierarchy chart (Tom's hardware chart) and saved $200 on the build. I chose 16gb of ram vs 8 just because I was forward thinking and didn't want to put anything in the ram slots that would be less than the board's ultimate 32gb for future expansion. 16gb costs just 50% more than 8gb. I'm an Asus fan and Nvidia fan. We all have our preferences. For now I can honestly say this machine runs like a beast and I would challenge anyone to notice the difference playing on it vs the I7-2600k/GTX 670 I have in my build. I own an Asus Sabertooth Z77 board and am a fan. OBVIOUSLY I was keeping the price reasonable for my son-in-law but I did give him a 50% discount on the parts and helped him with his first build. Once you close the case, trust me this machine is great. It's $1200. If the CPU can't keep up with future mult-core games it'll Craigslist easily. Thanks for the...advice? Well it's already built Debbie Downer. I can throw the same thing back at you....do you honestly think, in a blind test you'd know you're running this I3-4360 vs an I5/I7....it's very doubtful you could humanly detect the difference.

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

Ok. I have to say something. You mentioned 50% discount. That means the difference in a 4 core processor (i5) at the least was 225$ (I could stand corrected. He paid you 80$ essentially for the I3. Now what would be another 30$ out of his pocket for "possibly" running along with the future proofing of the "Core" of the machine? I do realize you have hyperthreading, I do. We are listening. And for the record. I've never said the build was bad my friend.

  • 66 months ago
  • -3 points

i disagree with you. With that 16GB of RAM, you've wasted over over 40$, which you probably never utilize (except you're video editing, but then i3 will bottleneck it), while an i3-4360 and an i5-4460 has only 30$ difference, hear it? ONLY 30$ with TWICE the cores and MUCH faster.

  • 66 months ago
  • 4 points

No, the i5-4460 is not much faster. In fact, there's a high chance that depending on your system, it can lose a few frames to the i3 because of its low clock. Even its max turbo clock is a couple hundred MHz below the i3's baseclock.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

Yes. I compared the i5-4460 and i3-4360 heavily before I bought the i3, and the i5-4460 is only ahead in very rare, limited circumstances. In many games the i3 is actually marginally ahead, not that it'll really matter since neither the i5-4460 nor i3-4360 will bottleneck a 770.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

The i3-4360 performs the same as the i5-4460 most of the time. The $30 difference is relatively small, but totally unjustified all the same.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

Good build, note sure why you're getting crap for buying an i3. Only thing I question at all is the ram.

Although I do think you may have been better off with something like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/x9L4Bm for pure gaming.

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

Why the i3 for a system of this price? It's a bit unbalanced if you ask me.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

I disagree, it's a great CPU. But the Motherboard is just too expensive and no need for 16GB RAM.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

It's a great CPU. If he were to get a less expensive motherboard and 8 GB RAM an i5 would have been a much better choice and would have still been cheaper.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

Very true!

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

A bit unbalanced, But still a great and powerful build in my opinion. +1

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

I would've saved $100 by going with 8GB of ram and spend the extra on an i5.

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

Why i3 in a 1500 dollar build?

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

I thoughty the i3 was in there cause you were waiting for the Retail Edge...

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

Why did you choose the i3?

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

This is imbalanced. Atleast give that rig an i5-4690k

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

to all those who berated every part... it would make sense to just switch out the CPU.

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

Why would I switch it out when (and I'm being quite serious here) it runs everything currently just as well as my i7-2600k? Not in reference to benchmarks but yes, in reference to any noticeable difference. Rather, I think we'll get a few year's of use out of it. This processor ranks very high: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

im not against you for using an i3, its a message to the others im sending... like the top commenter who said to basically change every part

  • 66 months ago
  • 0 points

Pretty neat build, overspent on your motherboard. Alot. I don't like CX series power supplies, since I think they're not as good as they're said to be. Other than that good build your i3 isn't the main issue, but if you would've gotten 8gigs of ram and a cheaper motherboard, since you can't oc your i3 anyway and the sabertooth is more than then all i3 and that's not a good balance.

Imo something like this would've done a lot better nad you would've gotten a 1tb storage disk aswell. Also if you didn't need the 1tb you could just not spend that money and saved a bit.

The 290 beats the 770 and it's nearly the same price, so the saved money from the motherboard and ram went towards a higher quality power supply, a better graphics card and a better cpu and it's less that this build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor $199.98 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $86.66 @ Newegg
Memory Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $69.99 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $134.99 @ Amazon
Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $52.92 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card $399.99 @ Newegg
Case Corsair SPEC-03 Red ATX Mid Tower Case $67.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply XFX TS 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply $74.99 @ NCIX US
Optical Drive Asus DVD-E818AAT/BLK/B/GEN DVD/CD Drive $19.73 @ NCIX US
Operating System Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) $104.29 @ NCIX US
Wireless Network Adapter TRENDnet TEW-726EC 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter $26.74 @ Amazon
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available $1238.26
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-15 14:54 EDT-0400
  • 66 months ago
  • -1 points

that prosser doesnt match the build at all. It should have at least and i5. Also u dont need that fast of a ram

  • 66 months ago
  • 3 points

I agree about the CPU, but DDR3-1600 is NOT too fast. I would consider DDR3-2133+ too fast for this rig.

  • 66 months ago
  • 2 points

DDR3-1600 is pretty standard now a days, no need to get faster just for gaming "unless its an APU build with no dedicated graphics".

So im not sure what this RandomPinto is on about, did he want him to get 1333 or even slower? i personaly dont see his logic.

  • 66 months ago
  • 1 point

Exactly.

  • 66 months ago
  • -3 points

While BF4 is optimized for multi-core processors, your processor is probably bottlenecking your GPU with only dual-core. btw. How much FPS do you get with 1080p and max settings?

  • 66 months ago
  • 5 points

i3s have 4 logical cores. It doesn't quite the same performance per thread as an i5, but it shouldn't be bottle-necking a 770.