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Nassy

by MattWeiler

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Date Published

Dec. 24, 2016

Date Built

Nov. 26, 2016

CPU Clock Rate

3.8 GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

28.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

47.0° C

Description

November 2018 Upgrade

I saw that Best Buy had some Western Digital 8TB external drives on sale for $179.99, so I bought 2 with the intention of shucking them and putting them into my server.

Since WD only makes HDDs in capacities up to 6TB in their cheaper Blue drives, it's a safe bet that any of their 8TB (or above) external drives will be Red, Purple or Gold drives. I shucked both of my new external drives and they are both white-label Red equivalent drives; they were even the 256MB cache models from Thailand and not the cheaper 128MB cache models from China :)

So I paid $400 for 16TB of additional storage in my server as opposed to paying well over $600 if I had bought legit naked Red drives. Sure I'd have a warranty with legit naked Red drives, but WD drives are actually well built and I've never had 1 fail on me... Seagate is another story :p

The only thing to keep in mind when shucking drives from external enclosures is that often times, a regular SATA power cable coming off of a power supply doesn't work with those drives... I'm not sure why. But an easy fix is to use a molex-to-sata power adapter cable and then the drives work just fine. I had to do just that to get the drives working for me.

You can also do a hack wherein you cover 1 of the power pins with non-conductive tape, but that seemed a little to sketchy for my liking.


October 2018 Upgrade

Since I only have 1 free SATA port and my HDDs are almost full, I needed a way to expand my storage drives. Since I upgraded my server with the Ryzen APU, Motherboard and new RAM, Windows worked fine without a reinstall but the PCIe SATA expansion cards did not. If I booted with them installed, after loading Windows, the graphics card would just stop outputting anything. I decided to get an M.2 NVMe SSD for the OS and the Plex meta-data thus freeing-up 1 more SATA port.

I took the opportunity to reinstall Windows in hopes that it would fix my issues with the expansion cards. Good news is that now after the reinstall, the expansion cards are working fine :) I assume there were some old Intel drivers left on the Windows install that were causing issues handling PCIe devices.

Now my Plex server responds so much faster when loading the meta-data, it was definitely worth the upgrade.


March 2018 Upgrade

With the Ryzen 2000 series chips having come out this year, I'm eager to give my NAS/Plex Server some more power.

I bought a Ryzen 5 2400G and an AX370 motherboard (primarily for the # of SATA ports) and some new DDR4 RAM.

With the new guts, my Plex experience is much smoother and the initial load times are much lower when watching content.

I didn't reinstall Windows 10 but rather just uninstalled all Intel drivers from within Windows and then performed the hardware upgrade. It's running well, but there is 1 issue that will force me to reinstall Windows in the future.

Basically, the PCIe SATA expansion cards that I have, and will need in the future, cause my server to crash on Windows booting-up. I'm pretty sure this is being caused by some latent Intel drivers on my system, but I can't find them. A reinstall under the AMD hardware should make things work better, I hope.


December 2017 Upgrade

Added 2 more 8TB drives so I now have 48TB of storage but since I'm running it fully redundant, I have 24TB or storage capacity.

I had some issues with Windows Storage Spaces, but I'm up-and-running again and was only down for about 3 days.

Basically, my storage space got into a kinda bad state (it was my fault) and I had to re-create it. The problem is that in the Fall of 2017, Microsoft decided to remove the ability to create ReFS partitions in Windows 10 Home/Pro and only enable that in their Enterprise and server editions. So now my storage pool is using the NTSF file system... I'm pissed about that.

In the future, I might switch to FreeNAS, but for now I'm ok with Windows.

Experiences So Far

I've been running my NAS for about 4 months now and it's been awesome. Now that I have all 4 of my 8TB HDDs, I have 16TB of effective storage since I want full redundancy; I have about 8TB free right now.

Plex is Awesome

I gave both my dad and my brother access to my Plex server and they watch almost as much as my wife and I do.

The i3 that I put in my NAS is capable of transcoding 3 consecutive streams without any buffering issues. I've been looking into ways of horizontally scaling the transcoding done by the Plex Media Server, but for now I can only handle 3 at a time... which has been enough for us so far.


Original Story

I've been planning to build a proper NAS for about a year now, so I finally got around to doing it. My main need was for storing my entire media collection (movies, tv shows and music).

The trick was convincing the wife that we needed a NAS. About 4 months ago she wanted to watch some tv show, I don't remember which one, so I passed her the box of hard drives (8+) and a hard drive dock. After going through 5 drives, she was totally on board.

Initially I picked-up 2 of the 8TB Western Digital hard drives... but I quickly filled those up and now I'm planning to get 2 more in the new year; but those should last me for a while.

Software Setup

I'm running Windows 10 Home and I'm using Windows Storage Spaces to create a 2-way redundant storage drive. For now that gives us 8TB of effective storage but soon when I add 2 more 8TB drives I'll have 16TB of effective storage with full redundancy. I also installed the Plex Media Server on this NAS so that i can watch my entire media collection from anywhere in the house and remotely.

Networking

My NAS is currently in the back room but since our router is in the living room, I go the Asus AC68 PCI-E network card. This network card gets amazing throughput... I haven't tested my internal network speeds, but it can completely saturate my internet connection (190 Mbps down and 15 Mbps up). Granted I have the Asus AC3200 router which is a beast.

Processor Selection

At first I was going to go with an Intel Celeron processor, but in the end I decided to get a top of the line Intel i3 and I'm very happy that i did since I decided to install a Plex Media Server on my NAS which, along with the i3, it can transcode the videos just fine. My motherboard can support i5 and i7 processors so if I need to I can always upgrade to a better CPU. Since I'm not gaming on this machine, the on board GPU is powerful enough to play HD content.

Motherboard Problems

At first I had a Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A Micro motherboard but it had some serious issues with the on board SATA controller so I returned it and got the ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro motherboard. The Gigabyte motherboard wasn't able to detect more than 1 of my 8TB hard drives while plugged into the motherboard directly. I had to install a PCI-E connected SATA controller to get the 2nd hard drive to work. I don't have this issue with the ASRock motherboard.

BIOS Problems

With both the Gigabyte and the ASRock motherboard, if I connect my monitor using HDMI, the BIOS just doesn't render... the Gigabyte would just restart and the ASRock just shows a pixelated mess. But they both work when connected using VGA.

Regrets

My only regret was not going with a 6 series CPU and motherboard; I ended up going with a Haswell 4 series CPU and motherboard. I didn't really put a lot of thought into it at the time, but the 4 series CPU and motherboard are more powerful than I expected.

UPDATES

WIRED NETWORK CONNECTION

I moved my new NAS into my living-room entertainment cabinet and now its wired directly into my router. The Asus wireless NIC was very powerful, but nothing beats an actual CAT7 LAN cable :)

RE-ENCODING

I've also gone through my media collection and found all of the movies which have a filesize greater-than 10GB and I'm re-encoding them down to having a bitrate of 4096 kbps. Some of my Blu-ray rips were ripped having a bitrate of 17 mbps (~ 17,000 kbps). I've re-encoded approx 50 movies so far, and I've reclaimed around 1TB of storage space.

When I compare the source 30GB video to the re-encoded 4.3GB file, both at 1080p, the difference was negligible... I had to go right up to the screen to see the difference. Also, I own the original discs for all of my Blu-ray rips, so if I really want to watch it at its best, I'll use the disc.

HARD DRIVES

I got my additional 2 x 8TB Western Digital RED hard drives... Now I have my full 32GB of raw storage but since I'm mirroring my data, I now have 16TB of effective redundant storage.

CPU Cooler

I found that I wasn't too happy with the temperatures when using the stock Intel CPU cooler. I was seeing 38C at idle and as high as 78C under full-load.

I decided to get a cheap water-cooler since I don't want my CPU cooler adding too much noise. I ended up getting the Corsair H60 which is a 120mm radiator with a 120mm fan cooling it.

With this new water cooler my temps are much more reasonable; 28C at idle and 47C under full-load.

Part Reviews

CPU

I was excited when the new Ryzen 2000 series chips came onto the market. This little guy is serving my NAS/Plex Server very well and is a nice improvement over the 4th gen Intel i3 that I previously had.

Motherboard

I chose this MOBO due to its 8 SATA ports. I needed these for all of my storage drives.

This board has been working well since I got it in March of 2018.

My only complaint was that I had to go through a lot of nonsense in getting the BIOS updated to work with the, at the time, new Ryzen 2000 series APUs. I had to wait for AMD to mail me a cheap APU so that I could update the BIOS of the MOBO but then I had to pay for the shipping to return the loaner APU. I was expecting to be able to either return it to one of their locations near me or get my MOBO updated from the retailer from whom I bought the MOBO and APU.

It all worked out in the end, but it was a little bit of a pain-in-the-***.

Memory

This RAM is fast and works as expected. It's running at the correct 3200 speed.

Storage

These drives are massive and fast, for a 5400 RPM drive. I'm currently running 4 of these in my NAS and using Windows Storage Spaces to create a 2-way redundant disk.

Power Supply

It's a power supply... it does what it's supposed to do and so far it works well.

Operating System

I've been using Windows 10 on all my personal computers for about 1 year now. I love the boot times, but the ads are kinda of annoying (try Office 360).

The new start bar was really annoying initially, but I've gotten used to it and I kind of like it now.

I'm using Windows 10 for my new NAS mainly to use Windows Storage Spaces to create virtual drives... it also allows you to setup a software RAID array.

Case Fan

These fans are pretty quiet and they keep my NAS temps pretty decent.

UPS

I've been using this to make sure that my NAS has as close as possible to 100% up time.

Other

I love this case. It's spacious and made of steel.

The one downside is that the fans that came with it are very loud, but that's to be expected from a server-case.

Comments Sorted by:

FACUNDO 13 Builds 2 points 27 months ago

32 TB of storage?!

Holy crap this thing is awesome!

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 27 months ago

Thanks :)

ya, movies take-up a lot of room :(

Currently I only have 16TB; the other 16TB are coming in the new year.

Since I want complete redundancy, I'll only get 16TB of storage once I get the remaining 16TB. I'm using Windows Storage Spaces to setup a 2-way mirror to ensure that every bit of data is on 2 drives.

ecogamer414 2 points 15 months ago

Not enough fans...

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

lol I'm so happy with how quiet this things runs. It lives in my living room and serves as our Plex Media Server and we can't hear it from the couch.

Nater650 2 points 7 months ago

To compare your internet speeds with mine, I get 114 down, 11 up, my PC is in my bedroom, and my router, (which is not quite as beastly as yours) is in my living room

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

I actually upgraded my internet to Gigabit mainly for the boost to the upload. I now get 1Gbps down and 30 Mbps up. This helps when myself, or my family, want to access my Plex server remotely.

Honestly, 100 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up is plenty for most people. I just wish that my ISP would allow me to increase my upload speed without increasing my download by that much... it's very unnecessary :p

On the hardware side of things, my router died about a month ago; It had been loosing connections for a few weeks and was requiring almost daily reboots at the end.

I decided to get a wired router (without WiFi) and a proper WiFi access point. I like that now if I'm having issues with WiFi, I have an AP to fix/replace but if I'm having routing or other connection issues, I have a router to fix/replace; It's just better separation of responsibilities :)

This new setup has been way more stable and the AP that I got is able to handle many devices. I'm planing to get a decent switch in the future which will allow me to add more wired devices in the future (ie. security cameras).

The router that I got is the TP-Link TL-R600VPN https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B007B60SCG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The AP that I got is the Ubiquiti Unifi Ap-AC Long Range - Wireless Access Point https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B015PRCBBI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Nater650 2 points 6 months ago

I have a netgear r6300v2 as my router, (which, tbh seems a little overkill for my house due to my house not being very big) and I don’t have any range extender because I don’t need any at the moment because my house isn’t really big enough to the point I would need one

grtgbln 2 points 2 months ago

Looking to make a build with this case. What length SATA cables do you use?

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 2 points 2 months ago

I'd recommend 18" SATA data cables.

I have an ATX motherboard and it's SATA connectors are on the bottom left (when installed in the case).

For some of the drives, I am using 12" SATA cables, but for most I'm using 18" SATA cables. Since the HDDs are mounted 5 high, and there are fans between the MOBO and the HDDs, you have to run the cables down to the bottom of the case, below the fans and then over to the MOBO.

If you're gonna use PCI-E expansion SATA cards, or just a Micro or Nano ATX motherboard, I think you'll need 18" cables.

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MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 25 months ago

I finally got the 2 additional 8TB drives. Now I have 32TB of raw storage but since I'm mirroring everything, I have 16TB of effective storage.

I can finally finish putting all of my media files onto my NAS :)

FuzzLobster 1 Build 1 point 16 months ago

Im setting up my system for something like this too. What VPN would you recommend?

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 16 months ago

I've been using www.privateinternetaccess.com for almost 1 year and I love it.

dhishi123 1 Build 1 point 5 months ago

is this an intel build?

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 5 months ago

It was, but then I upgraded it with a new AMD Ryzen APU... and new motherboard and RAM.

The old Intel guts became my new HTPC.

Yeet-the-frog 1 point 4 months ago

How many power phases does the motherboard have?

Thank you.

MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

I'm not 100% sure, but my understanding is that the number of mosfets equals the number of phases and there are 7 of them around the CPU.

It's weird, neither Gigabytes site nor the manual specify the number of power phases.

Yeet-the-frog 1 point 3 months ago

Thank you. It really is weird. I looked everywhere and couldn't find it.

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MattWeiler submitter 1 Build 1 point 27 months ago

lol. Yes but it fills up fast :(

Also I've set it up for complete redundancy so the 16TB that I currently have only gives me 8TB of effective storage.

I have 2 more 8TB drives coming so then I'll have 16TB of effective storage with complete redundancy.

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