Description

This is a new build for solidworks modelling and excel during the day, with some programming and gaming at night. Had been planning a build with a 7820x, but with the launch of coffeelake I swapped the planned build to a 8700k. Other than the fans everything was bought in the black Friday sales. Amazon took 10 days to deliver the PSU so the build was delayed.

This is my first complete build, since a 3770K bought on launch day. There have been a few itx atom builds, component swaps and upgrades. I Normally like big cases, have a few fractal design xl's and big coolers like the dark rock pro. Wanted to follow the returning trend and build a PC with a window, something I had not done since 2004 with my thermaltake armour 939 build with UV lighting. Had thought about water cooling, but decided the up keep hassle is not for me. Looked at AIO's but risking pump failures and downtime on my primary work computer was not something I wanted to do. Wanted a smaller case to fit on my desk and being a fractal fan went with the meshify. Like the tinted glass as it keeps the build subtle for a office.

The 8700K's faster single core performance is of more benefit to solidworks than the multiple cores, so ryzen and thread ripper were ruled out. The extra cores would have been nice for rendering, but plan on getting a new GPU for that. Had got the P4000 a few weeks before black Friday. So had time to test it, had found that not only was it good in workstation loads, but gamed well to. At 1200p could play battlefield 1 on ultra and hold 60fps with a 79% gpu load. Also tested how well quadros played with geforces. There was no issues at all, could game on the geforce one monitor and work on another. Also found that using solidworks on the monitor connected to the geforce, would use the P4000 for model viewing (CLASS). I had planned on getting a 1080ti as a gaming/rendering card but with seeing the performance I was getting form the P4000, I thought I would wait for volta.

The age old problem you buy a new GPU and then you buy a new monitor, in my case a 43" LG 4k. Went 43" as some software I use does not scale in windows, so 43" 4k the DPI is right for 100% scale. Had been looking at this monitor and getting £100 off on black Friday £750 -> £650, was the tipping point. On the plus side, 2 of the 3 x 24" 1920x1200 monitors from my old setup, work well as portrait side monitors. The P4000 handles 4k workstation loads well but in games you have to scale them down to get solid 60FPS.

Notes:

  • The PSU is actually a rm850i, was not in the pick list and did not know how to add it.
  • The P4000 was a Ebay purchase, they said unused and the package looked to support this.
  • Normally use a bequite dark rock pro cooler but wanted RGB RAM so went with its little brother.
  • Case not as silent as the fractal design XL, but this was expected.
  • Loudest component is the P4000, bios locked to 46% min fan speed, not saying it loud just it louder than all the 120 and 140mm fans.

Issues:

  • The 135mm fan JUST fits on the front of the cooler, but there was vibration on the glass. I ran it in a pull configuration while waiting on more fans. Used an old clear 120mm fan for a few weeks while waiting on the 15mm silverstone fan, this fan fit prefect with the build and can see all the RGB RAM.
  • The Noctua fan cables are short as others have said, Not an issue for this small case. The problem was there is a connector right at the fan which did make fitting one of the fans a pain. The thing I dont like is is the sleeve on the fan extensions, is a rubber coated braid which will not bend in a curve, it folds which can be a bit ugly and hard to hide.

Tests 2 hours prime95

  • 12 threads 4.3GHz 78C max 1 fan pull on cpu
  • 12 threads 4.7GHz 90C max 1 fan pull on cpu
  • 12 threads 4.3Ghz 70C max 1 push & 1 pull
  • 12 threads 4.7Ghz 85C max 1 push & 1 pull

Comments

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

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  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

It's odd to see quadro being used in a build anyway, nice tho.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

Solidworks works fine with geforce cards and that is what I used for years. But when assemblies get large, the shaded with edges view profile becomes slow. It's annoying that the p4000 is an over priced 1070 with different drivers. but spending 8+ hours a day using solidworks drove me to drop the cash. It was like gaming on a integrated GPU, you can do it, but it laggy and crap.

  • 24 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey there , I need to build workstation for modeling ,but I like gaming... is the quadro p4000 realy that bad at games ? would it make a difference if there are 2 sly quadro p4000 or one quadro p5000? (for gaming) And how big impact on modeling of bigger assembly is with quadro comparing to gtx if you used them previosly ? thank ou

  • 24 months ago
  • 1 point

It is not bad at gaming, at 1200p could run battlefield 1 on ultra at 60fps. At 4k I have had to reduce things, I play on high now with 80% scaling for 60fps. At the end of the day it the same GPU as a 1070, 2 would maybe help but have had trouble with SLI in the past so just avoid it now. The P5000 was to dear for me and I am planning on getting a Volta gaming card when they come out for main gaming/rendering workload. When rendering it only the number of cuda cores that matter, so the end of the day a cuda core is a cuda core so paying more for a quadro is not really needed. Running a quadro and gaming card did not cause me any trouble (this was a concern as not much on the web about this), ran it with my 970 until I seen the P4000 was performing better. So if you need a full quadro go P5000 if not, get a a P4000 and a gaming card.

As for model size, I work on assemblies for automation equipment and CNC machines, with a part count in the region of 5000 parts. I could open the same assemblies on a 970 gtx and even the hd4000 in my laptop, the only difference is speed, and mostly if viewed in shaded with edges mode, assuming Solidworks. The main difference is realview (solidworks realtime rendering) and lower lag when panning or rotating (although still jittery with mouse smooth with 3d mouse), selection of edges is also easier and more accurate. As for blender and draught sight, I see no difference at all. Weather a p5000 is needed for your workload is up to you, In my last job I could open the wing of an A350 and A320 in Catia v5 with a gtx220 no problem. At 5000 parts I not even stressing this card (17% load in solidworks at 4K) so could have got a p2000, just thought they looked crap.

  • 23 months ago
  • 1 point

Bro this is most helpful review I got about cards and my issues. After reading this details about the model complexity ... and with that drivers nvida made for titan ( unlocking some quadro features ) I will definitely go with titan x . It will cover my gaming needs and professional ones.
Thank you and good luck!

  • 23 months ago
  • 1 point

I will soon build a workstation and was considering the quadro p4000. I am not able to make a decision between the quadro or a titan xp/1080ti. I am mainly a CAD modeler in need of occasional rendering capabilities and use Autodesk inventor, revit, meshmixer, and blender/dimension. Based on your other comments and responses I was thinking titan xp would be best until I saw this video posted by linus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-90qEJAVkU At 4:03 he puts up the becnhmarks graph in which the p4000 is ranked higher than the titan xp in terms of solidworks usage. I will not be gaming, only modeling and rendering, and I am really stuck on what to get (I am open to sli suggestions). Your perspective would be really helpful considering your experience within the professional field of CAD (I'm a freelancer).

  • 23 months ago
  • 2 points

To be honest, I have only used inventor on client sites. I to am a freelancer, so one solid works licence and maintenance is enough. From what I have seen in the past about autodesk products though is that they dont care about the gpu type much, weather it gaming or workstation. I too seen linus video, but every drawing package is different. solidworks is the only one that I have seen that really has a performance hit from not using a workstation GPU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnOtGrX_dBk, this guy tested some cards in inventor, looks like they still don't care much about what gpu you use. Go 1080ti and you will have cuda cores for blender and raw speed for everything else, if you like star wars and have cash to spend then go titan xp.

  • 23 months ago
  • 1 point

I have too seen that video but in it he compares the maxwell quadros with last years inventor. I believe autodesk has put up some new drivers for hardware acceleration with quadro but I'll have to do some more research. Thank you very much for the help.