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My First Build - Garry

by GabrielDaBoss

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20 Comments

Details

Date Published

Oct. 20, 2015

Date Built

Sept. 3, 2015

CPU Clock Rate

3.2 GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

32.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

58.0° C

Description

Note: I built this early September, I am only posting it now

I was sick and tired of trying to play games on my craptop (Compaq CQ45). It has a Celeron B830 1.8 GHz dual core inside with no DGPU and quite frankly it is just terrible for anything other than word processing and web browsing. Booting up doesn't take that long even with the mechanical 5400 RPM hard drive... At least to get to the home screen. The problem is it just takes AGES before it gets all my processes up and running and be running at full speed. Other than that it's also just REALLY slow. It's not even good for school work at that. In Digital Technology it was stuttering and crashing on SketchUp and my face was basically painted green from looking at my friends' laptops with an i5's and i7's (including some with DGPU's) inside.

I do have an XBox 360 but I didn't really want to just buy another console. All my friends are into PC gaming so I figured I should build a desktop. It had been my aspiration to build a PC since early 2014 but my dad/parents was/were like:

"Oh no, you don't know what you're doing. You could hurt yourself. Blah blah blah."

So I just waited a while before asking him again and when I did I assured him there was nothing to be worried about and how easy it really was and to my surprise he didn't take much persuading this time and seemed completely cool with it. So I counted up how much money I had (about $450 AUD) and decided I could go half and half with my parents on the money. Well, not exactly half and half. When I made a PCPartPicker account I started to find parts and I made a first plan. The original build I wanted to be about $600. It was for a while there. Then I got slowly more and more educated on PCs and started to realise my build was going to be a complete piece of crap for gaming with an $80 AMD APU. Before that I was like:

"4.0 GHz?! WOAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! My laptop is only 1.8 GHz!"

I quickly started to to learn about things such as multiple cores, IPC, and manufacturing processes and also started to realise that the GPU was more important than the CPU for a gaming machine and found out what a GPU was. So then I selected an R7 260X thinking "Oh, this looks like a nice GPU, 2GB GDDR5 and it's exactly in my price range.". After a while I realised that even that was a pretty weak GPU. So eventually I got an idea of where each current GPU came in and decided I wanted an R9 280 or a GTX 960. Then I was like:

"I need more money. ;-;"

So I sold my Wii U for $150 on Gum Tree (they're about 400 new here) and EB Games was only gonna buy it for like 90 and then sell it for some ridiculous price like $300). Saved up pocket money for a month or two and then realised I had an extra $75 hanging around in my wallet and about 100 more than I thought I had in the bank. All up I had about $820. The whole setup cost about $1150 (OUCH), including a second hand 1080p monitor which I purchased on Gum Tree for $70, shipping, and Windows 8 (which I immediately upgraded to W10).

I also purchased the GPU (Sapphire Radeon HD 7950/R9 280 Dual X second hand off Ebay

Overall I am just very happy to have something that can finally play AAA titles.

Update - 24/10/15: For the past two weeks I was having trouble with the system not functioning well until I restarted my computer 1-2 times (games and videos running at about 3 FPS). I was puzzled as to why this was happening so today I went onto Tom's Hardware. A guy told me that it sounded like a PSU related issue and to take out my graphics card to see if the problem still persisted. So I did. Well guess what? He was right. It worked. There was no more taking about 30 seconds to boot up, in fact it took about 5! As well as all my games were working fine (of course not as well as with DGPU when it was working well)! I shall be getting a new PSU ASAP. As for the mean time, I cannot do much gaming.

Update - 28/10/15: I got a new PSU for my computer, the problem I had before (read above) was fixed. I upgraded from the Corsair CX500M to a Cooler Master V650, Semi Modular, 80+ Gold PSU.

Part Reviews

CPU

Gets everything I need it do done well. I don't really do much CPU intensive stuff anyway. Noisy stock cooler though.

Motherboard

It has an ethernet and USB 3.0's and hasn't died. No M.2 port though,

Storage

I was originally going to get an SSD. I decided against it because it would blow my budget out. I am actually surprised at how thing this gets to the log on screen (about 10-15 seconds).

Case

This was the cheapest case I could find. I'm starting to wish I'd bought something slightly more expensive. It gets the job done, but there is very little room for cable management behind the cutout and I just hand to spaghetti route a lot of my cables throughout the case. It's just a bit bland in looks too. I guess you get what you pay for though. I'd still recommend it if you're on a tight budget.

Power Supply

I have too many positive things to say about this PSU.

Pros

-It works.

-The sleeved cables are very thin which makes it easy to route behind the cable routing wall if you have a case with little space behind it like me.

-The yellow and black theme for the cables looks very nice.

-The PSU looks nice.

-The PSU is very short and leaves you with plenty of room between the PSU and optical drive.

-80+ Gold

Cons

-The PSU made a weird noise the first time I installed it and booted the computer up. Although I think that one of the cables might have been brushing against the CPU fan.

Other thoughts

I'd really recommend this PSU if you are working in an enclosure with very limited space.

Optical Drive

It's an optical drive.

Operating System

It's Windows.

Comments Sorted by:

MightyAlFred 3 Builds 2 points 42 months ago

I'm usually green of envy for our brothers in the US, they don't know what high prices and taxes really are :-/ I think you made a good job putting the right parts for your needs together.

CQC 11 Builds 2 points 42 months ago

Good build. Just keep an eye on that power supply.

GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 42 months ago

You know what. You were right, the past two weeks I have been having trouble with the computer not doing well until I restarted it 1-2 times. It would also take ages to boot up and get unplayable frame rates in games. I took out the GPU today and it took about 5 seconds to boot up! Then when I went into Minecraft it was completely normal and the menu was not unusable like before. Oh well, I guess there will be no more gaming until I get a new PSU.

CQC 11 Builds 1 point 42 months ago

I'm sorry to hear that. When you look to buy a new psu look to Seasonic, Antec, XFX, and EVGA P2/B2/G2/GS models. The XFX are usually the cheapest when on sale. Right now you can grab the XFX TS 550w 80+ Bronze for $27 after rebate and promo code. It's Seasonic OEM and a rock solid unit. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 42 months ago

Thanks, I will consider it.

Vergere 7 Builds 2 points 42 months ago

So it's named Gary, is it a snail?

GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 42 months ago

Never actually thought about it that way. :)

johnsilver 1 point 42 months ago

Looks like you have a solid build. As for the hard disk drive, sounds like you are meeting your needs, so there isnt a reason to blow the budget. :) Overall looks very clean and nice.

Eltech 20 Builds 1 point 42 months ago

Interesting read up here. I enjoyed it!

I quickly started to to learn about things such as multiple cores, IPC, and manufacturing processes and also started to realise that the GPU was more important than the CPU for a gaming machine and found out what a GPU was.

I feel slightly different about the CPU. You need a good "brain" to process and perform these tasks within the computer. I would like to know and say that "twenty-four times five equals one hundred and twenty" in 2 seconds. Not thinking long about it, not use my fingers or writing on a piece of paper or poking buttons on a calculator to know and say the number.

  • I'm certain you know the details but knowing a 4-core processor can simultaneously perform the instructions in each core and having a gigahertz of 3.2 means how fast it can perform these tasks. I mean you recall your past Celeron without a dedicated graphics card. Could you remember how your tasks performed versus this processor? I'm certain you saw some differences. 2-cores were design to handle the standard daily tasks that we do, office and network/internet. Even if you pushed a 2-core hard it will do it but as you mentioned before, it would take time and stutters unless it remained the simple tasks, again the internet and office applications like Word for example.

  • Of course, it also helps to have certain amount of RAM, a decent video buffer (the iGPU or GPU), a healthy hard drive or a solid state to increase reading and writing speeds. Yet the "brain" doesn't change how it does its tasks. One who has multi-cores, and its logical threads improves the performance to process and do the instructions faster at the same time when it needs to use each core.

  • Sorry, I'm trying to keep it simple here but my apology for blabbering a lot. You are right that a GPU is going to be more important for the games because it's faster memory that renders those videos and imagery for the game. Having a good CPU will help even more to perform those tasks further. Imagine trying to use a dual-core with a high end GPU. Might be a bit different on how the computer will perform with each program. So I think they are both important for their intended purposes. :)

Anyways, good job on your build for what you had to do to make this computer! What a hefty process that was! I wish you for the best.

GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 42 months ago

I know if you have a good GPU you need a beefy CPU to get the maximum performance out of it. What I was trying to say was that gaming is more GPU bound than CPU bound. As in you should always invest more of your budget in your GPU than CPU if you plan on gaming. (except of course if you go it second hand like me.) Also, I do get that having more than two cores is better for multitasking and demanding tasks that use multiple cores, as well as having the workload distributed more evenly across cores etc.

Thanks for input though! :)

Eltech 20 Builds 1 point 42 months ago

Really depends on what games are going to be bound to. However, it sure is changing to more GPU bound with the newer games but most of them are seeming to remind us, that four core is going to help out along the way. Basically, which game might need a decent CPU too, not just GPU bound. Thankfully, there are many budget options for such things without killing the wallet or purse. Which your i5 is great to have without overspending I think. :)

I_dunno 1 point 42 months ago

How many ram sloths does that mb have???

GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 42 months ago

2.

I_dunno 0 points 42 months ago

your motherboard has 2 sloths!!!!! Please let me have one!!!!!!!

bobdude_01 3 Builds 1 point 42 months ago

Nice looking build that is well balanced! Gj!

Arrow360 1 point 39 months ago

sounds exactly like my experience except instead of asking people for money for birthday/Christmas I got them to buy parts which raised my overall price of the build. Unfortunately I have now run out of money and cannot afford my gpu that I wanted. I am planning on spending 350-400 Aud on a card.

If anyone has some suggestions on which graphics card is the best for that price point(keep in mind i live in australia) that would be great

GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 39 months ago

Not really many cards in that price point, for AMD there's the MSI R9 380 Gaming 4G:

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9380gaming4g

Or the Asus Strix R9 380X

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixr9380xoc4gga

For NVidia, there's the EVGA GTX 960 FTW

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-04gp43968kr

380X offers best price to performance though.

woahwoahwilly 2 Builds 1 point 5 months ago

Ah, good old Tom's Hardware. Helped me out with a lot of issues.

+1. Rock solid.

woahwoahwilly 2 Builds 1 point 5 months ago

I never thought of the name "craptop" for crappy laptops.

I was sick and tired of trying to play games on my craptop

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GabrielDaBoss submitter 1 Build 1 point 42 months ago

Yeah, my phone (iPhone 4) REALLY struggles with the dark.