My youngest son games on an i5-750 machine that I build him a few years ago, and I've looked around from time to time for an 860 or 870 as an upgrade for him. They still hold their price (and performance) pretty well and have just recently dropped below $100 used.
I don't anymore.
There are a lot of intel mobile laptops that have traditional chip-in-socket motherboards, you just have to make sure there is a PGA (pin grid array) prefix on the socket type of the CPU in question. You can look on Intel ARK for information on a CPU by CPU basis. Arrandale, sandy bridge/ivy bridge mobile chips use sockets, I have upgraded all those in the past.
Here is a quick breakdown on types of mobile CPU sockets:
PGA = Pin Grid Array. PGA CPUs are inserted into a socket which means they can potentially be upgraded in the future. The BIOS must recognize the CPU though otherwise the laptop (or desktop) may not boot at all or the CPU runs at reduced speeds. Sandy Bridge mobile CPUs have motherboard codes with PPGA988 listed as the socket type. This is an upgradeable CPU.
BGA = Ball Grid Array. These CPUs are soldered directly into the motherboard (embedded) which makes them extremely difficult / impossible to replace the CPUs without proper equipment. It is doubtful that a laptop (desktop) with a BGA socket CPU would support other CPU models. Haswell mobile CPUs have motherboard codes listing a FCBGA1168 socket. This CPU is non-upgradeable without a BGA rework station.
My wife's $50 Sony VAIO laptop had a Pentium B960 (Sandy Bridge) in it. I purchased an i5-2450M on eBay for about $20 and another 4GB of RAM, it really gave the laptop a lot more pep in everyday tasks.
You just have to research the specific processor that's in the laptop in question.
Hope this helps answer your question.
Nice. That's a whole lot o' pictures of that SSD upgrade, but I like it. A little more life to that little mini laptop. Too bad a CPU upgrade isn't possible, I have a history of buying cheap Pentium laptops secondhand and putting (sometimes $20) i5 chips in them for huge performance gains.
Way back in 2013 when I got my FX8350, I was forced to use the stock cooler for about a week. It was loud. Very loud. Ungodly loud. I'm talking hair dryer loud. And even with headphones during gaming I could always hear it. But it did effectively cool my non-OC'd 8350. The heat-pipe design made it better than any copper slug cooler, but AMD put way too small of a fan on it. If they had designed that cooler to fit a 92mm fan with the same heat-pipe design, we would have had a wraith-ish cooler 5 years ago that would have been "AMD cool n' quiet".
The 6700k doesn't come with a stock cooler.
I don't know about the T2 personally, but I used the Hyper TX3 on my daughter's A10-6800k and it made a world of difference over the stock AMD cooler. I'm sure it's just fine for the 6700k at stock speeds, but will probably not allow much overclocking.
I had an FX8350 and a GTX 970 (within about 10% of the 1060's performance) and for 1080p I didn't have any trouble with a majority of games. The ones that hit my FX hard were CPU intensive games like Witcher 3 (45FPS high settings) and Fallout 4 (40-60FPS high settings). When I upgraded to Ryzen, the first few months I continued using that same GTX 970 with my new Ryzen 1700 and I had no more problems keeping 60FPS in the above mentioned games (with same settings or better). The FX8350 will definitely hold the 1060 back from it's full potential.
The 8350 should still play most games fine for now and the immediate future, but it's only a matter of time until it just doesn't cut the mustard anymore on AAA games.
+1 for APU light gaming! That's exactly what they are best at. I built my daughter a computer with an A10-6800k and it performed well in more games than I thought it would. I would look into another stick of memory for dual-channel operation, usually it wouldn't make much difference but in these APUs it can really make a difference.
I love it. I retired my son's q6600 two years ago in favor of an i5-750, but at the time it was still playing his games with few issues. Nice to know there are a few of the old dogs still around, back in 2007 they were real powerhouses.
If you get the 212 LED it comes Ryzen-ready.
Never go full potato.
I had two of the 280 Black Editions (lifetime warranty!) in crossfire a few years ago in my old FX8350 build, sold one a few months ago but the other is still in my oldest son's build.
That seems like a worse restriction, as a 2GB GT1030 more than meets any performance requirement for h.265 or HEVC playback.
Not bad at all for leftovers! I do love those XFX R9 200 series cards, absolutely the most beautiful graphics cards ever made IMO.
More intake fans creates positive pressure in the case and minimizes dust buildup.
Very nice build! It is spec'd nearly identically to my own Apogee, with a few brand differences. Love it!
Yeah it was crazy this year. My wife bought me a GTX1070 in May for my birthday for $399 at best buy, and two weeks later they were over $650 if you could even find one! I think they're finally coming back down now, I've seen more than a few RX580s coming back down to the $200-220 range and 1070s hitting $450 or so.
I'm assuming you have a Turion laptop... I will raise you my 8610g!
Some people's HTPCs are other's full blown gaming rigs! Very nice build, and I would definitely call it a big screen gamer! The only thing I would question is the use of a Ryzen CPU for this application, and that's only if you watch a lot of 4k content on this HTPC. For reasons I still cannot understand, Netflix and Vudu have restricted 4k playback to PCs with Intel Kaby Lake Processors. Even if your GPU will decode 4k (the reason I bought a gt1030 for my own HTPC), their streaming services will not support it.
I remember buying a Phenom II 970 BE waaaaaay back... Those Deneb quads were no joke, I benchmarked mine against an FX4300 and blew it away.
I have a few worse ones myself, including an Nvidia GT 120. But it's from 2009 and I wasn't looking for bad parts, I was shooting for mid-range gaming from 2007.
I like the color scheme, nice build!
Holy power requirements on that RX580! I've never seen one with an 8pin and 6pin, how well does it overclock?
I like the build quality of the 212 EVO better, but it is a real pain to mount. For AMD I usually go with the GAMMAX 400, identical performance to the 212 EVO but uses the stock AMD retention system so no screws or backplate removal. I have used both coolers on my son's FX8350 and they are within a degree or two of each other with the same clock speed. The main selling point for your build however would be the blue LED Deepcool fan. XD
Nice build! I like the overall color scheme. Solid parts list, I'm completely jealous of your monitor.
Nice build! For the money you have a very good level of gaming performance here. I wouldn't worry about storage too much, Cyber Monday is right around the corner and you can probably find a 1TB HDD for $40ish. Noise definitely won't be a problem for your build, AMD's Wraith coolers really raised the bar for stock coolers in terms of performance and noise and are very quiet.
Awesome FX build for the price! The R9 380 still is in a very sweet spot for 1080p performance, and for $100 can't be beat. I would recommend a cheap cooler for your CPU, the Hyper 212 EVO or Deepcool GAMMAX 400 are two very good choices. If you make the $20-30 investment on that, you could probably overclock that 8320E to about 4ghz and get a very noticeable boost in performance.
+1 price/performance killer.
Nice FX build! Piledriver is a little long in the tooth nowadays, but it should still hold it's own in a lot of games. You could always sneak a mild overclock on that 8320 to get a little more kick in the pants, That Hyper 212 should be good for 4.5ghz and those FX 8 series were generally very good overclockers.
Another great build, and that title...
P.S. I went full tower once. Once.
I was speaking more in terms of technology than pricing, such as 14nm being the current-gen standard and things like Intel Optane and HBM. Price-wise, yes this last year has definitely had some ups and downs.
Another thing about 2017 that works with my AMD themed 2007 machine, it's the first time in almost a decade that AMD CPUs are truly competing with Intel in not just the budget market but mainstream and enthusiast, as well as productivity applications.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it :D
Thank you! I will probably try to find it a good home, as I have limited space in my garage to work on computers and I already have a few more builds in the works.
I hadn't planned on doing anything else with this build after I finished it, but those two empty RAM slots were bothering me. I ordered two more sticks of DDR2 and two more gold ram heat spreaders for a grand total of $12.50.
I'll probably just try to find this computer a good home in the end so i can move on with another project, maybe a 10 year Intel/Nvidia build.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Yard sale, eBay, and Newegg.
About half a cat.
947mhz is probably the overclock. If I remember the base clock on the 290 reference models was 800mhz.
Those 290s were literal space heaters. AMD considered it "normal" for the reference cards to run at 95c. Trust me, even at stock clocks or around 1000mhz, 79c for an R9 290 is a godsend.
They were really good cards though, often trading blows with the somwehat-legendary GTX 970 and were overall a good price/performance option for their time. They had very similar performance to the 780 at the time. They were really hot though and used twice the power of the Nvidia competition.
I decided to re-use my MSI GTX 970 Twin Frozr from my last build and wait for Nvidia Volta cards some time next year.
I had my son's old FX6300 @4.2ghz on a DeepCool GAMMAX 400 cooler and it was a noticeable improvement over stock speeds. That chip didn't win the silicon lottery as 4.3ghz was not voltage stable, but it ran very cool at 4.2 with the load temps in the low 60s. I have since given him my old FX8350, I do have to say it is a lot faster than the 6300 was even when overclocked. I wouldn't think they would be that different but yeah he saw large FPS improvements and much less stutter with the 8350. He is playing with the 8350 and an XFX R9 280 Black Edition.
Nice looking build, I look forward to the future PBR build.
Very nice, a well balanced build. Good parts selection.
If you decide to put a mild overclock on that 1700, you should have no problem with 3.7ghz on that wraith cooler. I actually went to 3.6ghz on mine with the Wraith Spire, but I undervolted it to 1.10v and it ran very cool. I only went with a tower cooler because I got it for $13 after MIR and now I'm at 3.8ghz / 1.25v and my load temps still only max out at 69c.
AMD has come a long way since FX, these Ryzen CPUs don't really need any drastic cooling solutions even when overclocked.
Maybe $680 with an extra 0 in there...?
I see you're using the Sades headset, is that the SA906? I just got mine and I was really surprised by the sound. I was expecting crap for $17 but they actually sound good.
If you want Dolby Atmos or other 7.1, you have to download the driver from the Sades website.
You should be fine with your stock cooler if you're not overclocking, or if you do overclock but stay at or below the 3.7ghz turbo speed on all cores. I put my Ryzen 1700 at 3.7ghz / 1.2v using the stock Wraith Spire and during stress test the temp maxed out at 77c. It was also very quiet.
I am currently using a Deepcool GAMMAX 400 (nearly identical design to the Hyper 212 EVO) with Noctua fans and with the overclock at 3.8ghz / 1.25v my max stress test temp is now 69c. I got a little more speed and a few degrees cooler, but nothing earth shattering.
I got the GAMMAX cooler for $13 after MIR and had the Noctua fans laying around, otherwise I would have just kept the Wraith Spire as even with a 3.7ghz overclock it was just fine.
IMO it's not worth spending a lot of money for 100mhz / 10c difference. so I don't think you missed out on anything by not being able to use your Hyper 212. And you should still be able to overclock to 3.7ghz at stock voltage on that Wraith Spire without worrying about temps if you decide you need a little more giddyup in the CPU department.
Extremely high level of performance per dollar here. I love it!
I got an i3-3240 and 8GB of DDR3 1600 in a Dell prebuilt from a thrift store for $10. I also got a working i5-4440 and 8GB of RAM for free when a workstation got recycled as broken, it had a bad motherboard everything else was good. So yeah, an i5 4570 for $20 is definitely do-able. You just got to know where to pick 'em.
Great APU build, I honestly really like the AMD A8/A10 series APUs because they have very nice integrated graphics for the price. I built a computer for my daughter with an A10-6800k a few years back, and she still uses it everyday and does some occasional light gaming. I also have an HP envy laptop with an A10-5745m and it plays most pre-2015 games at medium settings above 30FPS.
I can't wait to see the performance levels of the new AM4 Ryzen APUs when they release. I have heard rumors of native 1080p gaming at medium settings on a Ryzen APU.
If you want a cheap bump in performance, you could always get something like this used HD6670 graphics card and you would get a 10-20FPS bump, depending on the game. Here is a pretty good comparison between the 6600k alone and dual graphics with a 6670. For about $30 it wouldn't be a bad stopgap upgrade at all.
Visually, it's a very nice looking PC. Aside from that, I definitely see some strange choices in your parts list. I wouldn't personally have gone with an almost $200 motherboard and put a 3-generation old CPU from 2010 in it. Also, the highest RAM speed supported by the 1100T is 1333, so why spend the extra on DDR3-2000 and 1600?
The GTX1070ti will never be able to stretch it's legs on that 6-core. Unless you are planning a motherboard/CPU upgrade in the near future, I would have gone with a 1060 or even an RX 470/570. A less expensive graphics card would have given you the same results I'm sure you're getting now.
I'm not saying you're going to have a bad experience gaming on this PC, but because of your CPU I think your PC will begin to struggle on newer titles.
I like it! I haven't seen many of the old R7 cards lately, that 260X was a peppy little spitfire in the day. I recently got rid of an old R7 250 that I had laying in the garage, paired it with a Sandy Bridge Pentium and sold it on Craigslist.