Great build! I'm sure that the 4460 is still hanging in there, and on the plus side if it's performance starts to fall off you can always hit up eBay for a used 4770k (saw one for $169 today BIN) and give this platform some more CPU horsepower to really let that 1070 stretch it's legs.
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You must be a blast at parties...
Agreed. If you managed to get a GTX 1080 (there are a ton of used 1080s on eBay for $300-350) and a 1440p monitor, that 3770k would hang all day long at 60FPS+ in just about everything. It's honestly still quite a capable processor, and playing games at a higher resolution will put more of the "bottleneck" on the graphics card.
Being real, I see no reason you couldn't even pair this CPU with a 2080 and achieve 60FPS @ 4k. I wouldn't necessarily get rid of it, unless you really just want to jump to a new (DDR4 is much faster) platform.
I upgraded from an old FX-8350 to a Ryzen 1700 when Ryzen launched, but honestly it was just because my FX chip was "meh" in 2012 and downright bad in 2017. If I had a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge i7 at that time, I would probably still have it.
If you don't want to overclock, the i5 8400 is the best value for Intel right now. I would stay away from the 9XXX series, they aren't a good value.
Definitely a solid build, even with the older parts I can easily see this computer getting very acceptable framerates @ 1080p in just about everything. If you want some more horsepower on the cheap you could always get a locked i7 3770 (I bought one on eBay recently for under $100). That would give you some extra CPU headroom for the newer games that will make use of 8 threads. The single-core performance of the 3770 is nearly identical to that of the Ryzen 1600.
If you went with the i7, kept your existing motherboard and just got some faster DDR3 (16GB of DDR3 1866 can be found on eBay for under $100), you could use the money you saved to get a GTX 1070 or Vega 56. That would get you better overall performance gains for the same investment.
My son games on a 3770, and I game on a Ryzen 1700. There are (non-gpu limited) games where we see very close to the same performance @ 1080p.
You know your build theme is on point when even your CMOS battery is color-coordinated. A very nice build you have here, and your attention to detail is inspiring. You have my +1.
I bought an 8350 when they first came out and I remember using the stock fan for a weekend before my Hyper 212 came in, it was nearly unbearable. I would definitely recommend spending $20-30 on a decent tower cooler for that CPU. You won't regret it.
You're right, it's no Ryzen, but the FX-8350 is still a good budget gaming CPU for the price as you can get them for as little as $50 nowadays. Likewise, the 770 is still a very good graphics option, it's about halfway between a 1050ti and a 1060 in terms of performance and you can find them on eBay for $80-90.
This build should definitely serve it's purpose.
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This can't be right. According to this...
That level of cable management...
Nice budget build, and happy build anniversary.
You already figured it out on your own, but whenever you build a system on a new platform you want to do periodic BIOS updates (I check monthly for a new version the first year) as that will fix a lot of issues on new platforms. Usually after the first year you can just check every six months or so. I've noticed in the past that manufacturers will generally (but not always) support chipsets/motherboards with BIOS updates for a minimum of two years and an average of three after initial release.
One of the biggest issues that I had when I upgraded to Ryzen was memory compatibility. To be honest, it was almost a year before my G.Skill 3200 RAM was actually able to run at 3200mhz on an A-XMP profile. Thankfully that's all taken care of now.
That is a very nice little budget build. Is it going to be used for gaming? I can think of a handful of newer games that might not run so well on a hyperthreaded dual-core, but most should run just fine and it's a good matchup with the 1050ti.
I've read a ton of mixed reviews on Teamgroup SSDs, there are enough bad ones out there to make me avoid them. Samsung, WD, Crucial, and Adata are pretty much the only SSDs I personally use for my builds anymore.
Tempered glass... check.
360mm AIO... check.
Sleeper - n.
Outwardly common looking item that possesses something special or unique inside.
Not a textbook application of the idea, but a very nice build nonetheless.
*Build does not contain actual ice.
Unfortunately no real options yet, the only thing I've seen is an XPG RGB M.2 cover that has a cooling fan on it, but it's quite bulky.
I scoured the BIOS settings (for an OEM board it is a very good UEFI BIOS and has a ton of options) but there was no solution that let the computer post normally without that front panel header plugged in. I could disable the front USB ports, but not the HD audio. Also the HDD indicator light is on that panel so it comes off the same motherboard header. Now the HDD light flickers on the side of the case XD.
Very good budget build, still a very capable gamer for the price.
My son games on an i5-3570/1050ti and he has a very good experience in all his games.
Fantastic build, and great price you paid for it. I recently built one for my son with an i7-3770 (non-k) and an AsRock Z68 Extreme3 board, I paid nearly as much for those two parts as you paid for this entire build. Price/Performance Win here.
Awesome, I think those two were actually the same chip just clocked 200mhz differently. The old triple-core Phenoms were definitely cool when dual-cores were still enough for gaming... If nothing else, AMD has never been afraid to try new things!
This build is the only build on the planet that NEEDS RGB M.2 SSDs. Then it will be complete.
I could probably sell them, but I come across older hardware often and put together a half-dozen builds a year so I like to keep some for testing, I've got AM2, AM3, LGA775, LGA1155 and a bunch of other CPUs and mobile chips (as well as a few sticks of DDR2 and DDR3) that way if I come across a motherboard of pretty much any older socket I can test it.
I was going through a box of old parts in my garage just last night looking for a SATA power splitter, and I dug into a small box of CPUs that I have pulled over the years. I have a Q9400, an old Phenom II x3 720 (triple-core CPU!!!), an assortment of old laptop i3s, and two Athlon X2 CPUs. One is a 5050e and the other is a 4050e. I remember the 4050e came in an old eMachines mini tower that I had years ago. It was a pretty good little dual-core in late 2009.
I have to concur. With a build budget of $2.5k, an unlocked "K" processor and 280mm AIO it just doesn't make sense to cripple the build by preventing CPU or memory overclocking. The B360 doesn't even have MCE support.
The FX line is pretty terrible by today's standards, but an 8320e for $40 is not bad at all. All in all I think this will be a very capable web-browser.
It's nearly effortless on modern motherboards. I have a Ryzen 1700 CPU with a base clock 3.0ghz and boost of 3.7ghz. My MSI B350 Tomahawk has a "Game Boost" button (it's in the upper left corner of the screen) on the BIOS screen, and if I click it, my CPU automatically runs at 3.6ghz on all cores. No voltage changes, no multiplier adjustments, just literally a one-click solution. I do not use this feature, but I did test it when I first got the board and it does work well.
It's a very easy way to get sone "risk-free" overclocking performance without accidentally screwing up your CPU or motherboard.
Also there's no exhaust fan in place that I can see.
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Your CPU/GPU should have no problem whatsoever at 1440p60 for nearly every game out there at high settings. The GTX 1070 is the "sweet spot" card for 1440p gaming. Alternately, for 1080p gaming you could invest in a 144hz panel as your setup will get over 100+FPS in most games.
Even recent AAA titles will definitely look amazing on a high-refresh monitor with this setup. My Ryzen 1700/1070 gets 80+FPS on Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080pUltra, and FarCry 5 on the high preset also hits 80+FPS. Most other games will run at 100+ FPS, and some at 144FPS.
Your performance should be nearly identical to mine, if not a little better.
Just that? Nothing more than a little blurb about a Chinese keyboard? A little bit of description about the actual build couldn't hurt. It is a decent looking build from what I can see.
The only thing about this build that I disagree with is the A320 motherboard. For nearly the same price a B350 board would give you much better features, as well as overclocking capability. Pretty much any Ryzen CPU can be OC'd to at least 3.7ghz and it's basically free performance.
Aside from that little nitpick, I really like this build and I think for the price you've got a spunky little budget gamer here. If budget allows, a future SSD upgrade will be a night and day difference in Windows for you.
Since the 380 is a few years old now, it could probably benefit from a good teardown and cleaning with some fresh thermal paste.
I recently got rid of an old R9 280 that I had, after 4 years of daily use the temps were maxing out at 85c with about 3000RPM fan speed. After cleaning and applying fresh thermal paste the max temp went down to 77c but most importantly the fans never spun up past 2500RPM. Made the card a lot quieter.
Very nice gaming build, great performance here for $1k. Are you gaming at 1080p or 1440p?
I'm surprised the SC Black Edition doesn't come with a backplate as I have the SC non-black and it has very nice metal one.
There is an SSD in this build, a WD Green 120GB. It's on the parts list.
I just got it. Just now. I'm sorry.
Literally like 5 minutes ago.
According to Bethesda, the minimum requirements for CPU on FO76 are an i5-6600k or a Ryzen 3 1300X. Now I have played many games in the past on hardware that was below the minimum spec, but I think that the Phenom is just so far below what Bethesda is asking that it probably would not be a playable experience.
The other thing that comes to mind is this: I had a Phenom II 970, I upgraded from it to an FX-8350. FO4 ran like hot dog poop on a cold day on my old Piledriver CPU, and I'm sure it would have ran even worse on the Phenom. Since FO76 is essentially the same game engine as FO4 with the added CPU workload of being a multiplayer game, I have to agree that the old Phenom is just too old for this game.
It would not be terribly expensive to outfit this case with a Ryzen CPU / B350 mobo and 16GB of DDR4. There are some good bundles right now on first-gen Ryzen, I even saw the Ryzen 1700 for $180 last week on Amazon.
I would only recommend upgrading to an FX CPU if you can find one dirt-cheap. I upgraded from a Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition to an FX-8350 in 2012 and to be honest in most games at the time I didn't see any performance improvements at all. I initially regretted spending the money on the upgrade.
It wasn't until a few years later that the FX CPUs started to get better optimizations in games to handle the extra threads (remember the FX-8XXX series were in reality quad-cores with clustered multithreading, similar to an Intel i7 but with much weaker individual cores), nonetheless when Ryzen came out I was very quick to change platforms.
Strength : 1 (sadly no graphics card)
Perception : 5 (most likely a 1080p monitor - default stat)
Endurance : 5 (with a decent power supply it should run fine long-term)
Charisma : 8 (Nuka Girl on the case is a big hit with the guys and gals)
Intelligence : 4 (the phenom II Quad is a decent CPU for it's age, a bit slow today)
Agility : 4 (8GB of RAM is "ok", but 16GB is better)
Luck : 9 (you got your hands on this limited edition case. Kudos!)
Not a bad start to a build, I'd like to see the finished product! +1
Tomahawk owner here as well, it's a very nice all-round board with good features. OC'd my 1700 to 4.0ghz @1.4375v completely stable and runs my G.Skill Ripjaws 3200 at full speed with A-XMP 2 enabled. Had some issues at launch with extended post times and RAM compatibility, but with the newer BIOS versions it's been very good and all those issues are now gone. Functionally, it's probably about the best B350 board you can buy in the $100 range.
My only gripe about it is lack of proper RGB support, as it does have an RGB header but is not compatible with MSI Mystic lighting. You can only use the MSI Gaming APP and it limits your choices to seven colors with no effects. I worked around this by installing a Phanteks RGB controller and HALO LUX RGB fan cover, but some users will want proper RGB support out of the box.
I rented an apartment for $600 that had real wood floors... XD
I also have a brother-in-law who spent $5k of his student loans on a badass gaming PC then dropped out of college... He's literally a janitor now and up to his balls in debt.
Not saying you're wrong, but the only one who knows is the builder.
I'm not sure it would "blow up" but I have had PSU failures that took out components with them, and a lot of those cheaper units just don't have the protections in place to make sure that when they do fail they don't also kill your motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc...
It's very nice to build a PC spec'd to what you need right now, but with the forethought to allow for upgradeability. Early last year I was debating between a 7700k (Coffee Lake wasn't out yet) and my current Ryzen 1700. One of the deciding factors for me was when AMD promised to support the AM4 platform through 2020, I knew that by their own product roadmap I would have at least two Zen generations plus a mid-gen refresh that would all be compatible with my motherboard. I have learned over the years that I like to keep my builds as long as possible (My last gaming PC ran for 6 years for me and was an FX build that had been itself an upgraded form of the original Phenom II X4 build) and having a few generations of CPU available for any future upgrade makes sense.
Nice starter build, JeetPC is right about the PSU though. Your system (at stock clocks) has a max load power draw of 257w, which is very close to the rated limit of that 300w unit. I would look at a higher quality unit of at least 400w, that will give you better headroom and protection.
Very nice build! For 1080p gaming this thing will play just about any game out there at very good settings for under $1k. We are closely approaching the final days of quad-core CPUs in mid-high end gaming systems as most new AAA games are scaling much better with 6+ cores, but even in a year or two if you decide to swap out the i3 for an 8600/8700k the option is there because you have a very nice foundation.
In January of 2017, that exact SSD was $39 on Newegg (just select it and go to pricing history). Since the prices are automatically set in this parts list and not manually selected, there's no way of knowing when/where this one was purchased and for how much.
$79 is just the current price but for such an old drive that's likely a marketplace seller as there are newer versions of it available. It could have been around for a while in the builder's possession before going into this build.
So eloquently named to match all the times it crashed when launching for the first time.
I can completely see the similarity between your gaming computer not booting up and a national tragedy that left seven people dead. Maybe the next build can step it up a little and have a clever name referencing 9/11, or perhaps the Holocaust.
I know it was 32 years ago, but still...
I'm not sold on that just yet. I bought some RGB hubcaps for my Chevy and it didn't get any faster...