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Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Gaming Pc"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

Ah, thats a good point. +1

he'll be fine at stock as the boards got a decent x8 120W-150W envelope and a tolerable heatsink but it's a FAIL for overclocking. Nice catch for pointing this out.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Gaming Pc"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

9700K and 16GB RAM for only gaming gets the same performance without putting holes through the wallet. If it's "i just want the best for sake of it" with a hint of probable opportunism in the long long distant future, i guess the 9900K 32GB provocation has something to offer (not for me though).

2080 super = great gaming card. Whether it's the right glove fit for your performance ambitions depends on your display resolution and fps aims (?)

Everything else looks fine. Not so keen on an almost $200 AIO though but if its for looks, no problem. With a scorching build like thgis maybe consider a different case with improved airflow. Then again you might want to check on user reviews as i haven't personally tried the 275R but usually these tighter top and bottom air vents on the front tend to add hindrance to a certain degree (skimming anywhere between 4-8c).

QUESTION: Any thoughts about going Ryzen 3700X? A small drop in performance (you won't be able to tell the difference in gaming) and a huge price drop to $300 makes the 3700X a masterpiece. May the Lord have Mercy on x3 Ryzen :))

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2020 Custom Loop"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

I'm aware of the market dynamics but it does not in any shape or form justify the rediculously summoning raise in cost. A hundred bux or 2 more already makes the 3950X a tough bargain but the current price is just madness.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2020 Custom Loop"

  • 8 days ago
  • 0 points

How rude and obnoxious!

It's the communities job to deter rediculous recommendations to help builders achieve a more practical solution for their money. How can you justify A 3950X for almost $2000 dollars when the MSRP is $750 (or $100/$200 more on the stretch for CAD)

"You clearly know no about PC's."

Thats an odd assertion! In your world class expert opinion, how do you justify spending around 60%-65% more above the MSRP? Also in your highly skilled and well-informed expertise, how do you justify a 16 core CPU for the purpose of gaming and image editing? I hope your grand master know-how can also further advise the benefits of 64GB RAM in both gaming and image editing applications??

Kindly leave a practical segment of your masterful experience in response to the above rather than resorting to childishly immature rants. We could all benefit from your professory expertise!

" And you probably don't even live in Canada, thus making stupid dumb comments. "

I see. I didn't realise the rest of world was exempt from aquiring practical know-how in PC build hardware. I better get my CANADIAN license to comment on tech forums in future. Could you kindly direct me to the Canadian Tech Green Card registration facility as I would hate to be referred to as "thus making stupid dumb comments" for not being Canadian. Help Help!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2020 Custom Loop"

  • 10 days ago
  • 1 point

Dude it's a skank. For your performance goals you dont need a silly 16 core CPU which is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced. It's like buying a 16 bedroom house for a family size of 4/8 people lol and why on earth is the 3950X costing $1900 bux? Is that an error or has the CPU market gone nuts?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2020 Custom Loop"

  • 10 days ago
  • -1 points

Rubbish! almost $2000 cad for a 3950X????????? For what he's trying to achieve can be done with a 300/400 dollar CPU lol. Misguidance is ignorance.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "RMx(2018) vs RM(2019)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I don't believe RM does anything significantly better. Moreover, i wouldn't be surprised if RM 2019 adopts a similar performance path by lowering manufacturing/assembly/component cost (as with previous models) which would demand a more thorough comparison.

If similarly priced snatch RMX. Not sure if it's official, but between the 2 variants the X has maintained the more authoritative approach in raw performance and component quality.

If RM is notably affordable, head over to Johnnyguru, Tomshardware, etc and check if these units have been measured up with a more detailed analysis.

If your build power consumption is moderate per use and you're not pushing for raw performance (overclocking, day-long rendering/encoding rounds, etc) it wouldn't matter. Go the cheapest route.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Downgrade CPU for monitor?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Better monitor? What's not good enough with the C24G1 or are you looking for an extra set of features with the likes of IPS or a denser pixel 1440p display?

Downgrading processor depends on use. For gaming the 9700K or 9700KF makes sense. I wouldn't bother with the 9600K unless you're barking mad about overclocking the splinters out of it. This could be reasoned with if you're keen on keeping the AIO cooler or a similarly priced premium HSF. Otherwise, a downgrade from the 9700K should put you on the Ryzen 3600/3600X trail.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is this fit for purpose?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

You don't need a 2070S for 1440p.

A 2060S easily handles 1440p....i mean EASSSILYYYY!!!!! We're talking the BIG hitters here, the AAA shabaam at the best of settings. We're looking at mean averages of 65~85fps for the more exhaustive brunt of gaming ultimatums. The not so hungry playoffs can EASSSILYYYY!!!! push on 95~115fps/+. Thats a BIG "+" depending on game type or light downsizing on quality preferences.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Slapped together a PC any thoughts PC people?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

nice push on performance but not necessary for gaming. SHOW ME THE REALLLLL MONEYYYYY

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Slapped together a PC any thoughts PC people?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

All SSDs see some sort of drop in performance when reaching those higher capacities. The QLC/MLC/TLC properties have no meaning here for a gaming build. These concerns are more concerning for build applications which are designed to engage the NVME footprint, not those which narrowly execute performance throughput. Game users need to stay well away from these notoriously baffling synthetic benchmarks which are flying around like wild headless chickens before we all turn into grounded 2 legged leggers. Even the poorest quality NVME, if it holds true to form (reliability), stands a champion in a vast number of real world workloads.

Now if it's a build application designed to chew it's grizzly teeth into those gross NVME performance gains, that'd be a different story all together

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Slapped together a PC any thoughts PC people?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

970 evo will do you no justice. These premium models have unique properties to speed up certain processes which are absent in gaming environments. You can buy the fastest but if you can't tap into those performance boosts, it's pointless.

For $5 further take a 1TB fast SSD. A doubled FAST is way better than a halved FASTEST when the difference in speed for gaming draws invariable performance. I hold my hats off to Intel's 660p https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nhKHx/intel-660p-series-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknw010t8x1

If you are happy with the enhancement the Ryzen 3600 is the people's champion. I'm behind you with that one.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Slapped together a PC any thoughts PC people?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I'm in agreement.

Only, drop the SU800 SSD for something better like a superior running NVME HP EX900. Surprisingly for less cost for a: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7stQzy/hp-ex900-500mb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy44aaabc

Another even faster one is the sabrent rocket for two dollars more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nqc48d/sabrent-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-sb-rocket-512

You could try a 1TB fast SSD with a 2TB hard drive at a similar cost. It does trim 500GB but adds the benefit of saving more games to the ssd for snappier game loading times. Down to preference really.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming and Stremaing Setup"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

For a

Gaming and Streaming setup

and

playing on a 1440p 144hz monitor.

eXXXellent build and perfectly executed

Another case fan wouldn't hurt. The mesh comes with two and two more for a sweet breezy balance will seal the deal.

Maybe 32GB memory? 16 is enough but 32 fills the gap for the impending odds

1TB storage for most is enough. Need more for the long stretch?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i9 9900ks"

  • 3 months ago
  • 0 points

That's rude. Just one, pray with me. Sing it:

"the i-nine, i-nine, nine oh nine, the i-nine's "MARGINAL" performance increase over the 3700X for a larger than life asking price is under serious scrutiny, scrutinee, scrutineeee. The i-nine, i-nine, nine oh nine, the i-nine's "SMALL" performance advantage for a extortionate, hoodlum, fatty inflated and violently extravagant cost is making Gilroar go Bananas, Bananaas, Bana-bana-bananaas"

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i9 9900ks"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

So I am going to let this go and You have yourself a good day.

Oh please don't let this go, please please please. It's been too long since I last read the definition of BIAS, now I'm getting upfront characterisation from a living, walking and talking BIAS. Can't let you go so quick, it's a mircale deserving a little longer duration.

First, lets please hold hands and read a prayer. Sing with me:

"the i-nine, i-nine, nine oh nine, the i-nine's "MARGINAL" performance increase over the 3700X for a larger than life asking price is under serious scrutiny, scrutinee, scrutineeee. The i-nine, i-nine, nine oh nine, the i-nine's "SMALL" performance advantage for a extortionate, hoodlum, fatty inflated and violently extravagant cost is making Gilroar go Bananas, Bananaas, Bana-bana-bananaas"

Now back to the days business:

Giving this is a move to improve AMD performance the evidence is against You.

Hold on so AMD works with MS for a fix, the fix as you described is a limitation in Windows "Having 12/16-cored parts is an interesting option but also having them limited by Windows scheduling everything onto a select few of those cares limits practical usages where they are a benefit over AMD's own Threadripper platform which isn't limited in such a way." So limited by Windows scheduling, I guess in your world of ill-advised persuasion this would be an encouraging implementation by AMD. Which is it, an AMD enactment without MS limitations, or AMD encouragement which resulted with Windows scheduling limitations which are poorly mismanaged?

Two of those are funded and backed by multiple companies, and the third was provided by AMD to the Chinese.

Did i ask? I swear by the Sponge bob and the yellow pants, i have no interest in anything beyond the current "marginal" performance increase of the i9 for a gluttonous and rampant cost, which from an over-all performance perspective, puts the 3700X at a wonderful position. So you can take those funded and backed multiple companies back to the TECH TIMES WORLDWIDE NEWS NETWORK which is derailing our efforts to help you overcome your BIAS diagnosis. No patient of mine goes untreated.

Feel free to research the AMD construction family of the time yourself and remember they are from the very same company you are placing such blind faith in.

The only rhetoric being spread here is from you, and you are refusing to budge from anything but a "AMD is the only choice" standpoint, well trying to paint everyone else as an Intel fanboy.

Unlike Captain Gilroar of the Blue Armies, my allegiances and soul laying loyalties are non-existent. Literally, ZERO fidelity. No one is suggesting AMD is the only solution. That's a gloomishly defeatist claim. As a matter of fact, if you follow my 8 years+ of non-stop intel CPU backing as /TJ-Maxx on reddit, not necessarily boosting intel as a company but egging on those finer performance margins preceding Ryzen 3rd Gen, it's a clear indication of candid representations opposed to blind patriotism. You'd be surprised Ryzen has never had much of a mention from me unless absolute budget system requests surface.

Since I fear the Might of Captain Gilroar of the Blue Armies, I should further demonstate my position to clear this misconception of blind obedience. I'm driving a 4-core intel kaby lake CPU, custom liquid cooled with a 5ghz run for my gaming rig and regardless of higher core count opportunities I have zero interest in upgrading to either of the current intel or AMD innovations. Game performance is on point with no signs of unshabbiness. A true upgrade path for me would beg a 20-30% performance lead over current KB single threaded clock speeds. Something both AMD and Intel are lacking. 2020/2021 may suggest otherwise but only time will tell, and most likely since money grows out of my aasss, i'll be splurging like there's no tomorrow for an overclocking solution which puts intel in a favourable range. I'm a custom liquid cooling, all out modding, RGB tantalising rude awakener with very poor taste of best overall performance per cost. Thats me in a nutshell, but doesn't even come close to repudiate the basis of this discussion which is intels poorly addressed performance margins over the 3700X whilst maintaining extortionate pricing structures. Furthermore, i have 2 work builds running side by side both running intel HEDT X99 broadwell and Haswell CPUs. My commute laptop is intel (replacing a stolen surface pro which was intel). My girlfriends laptop (i purchased with her money), is intel. The only AMD arsenal in our personal environment is a custom built Ryzen 2200G HTPC for the bedroom TV.

So lets not jump the gun, as you might trip over at the barrel end and take one in the left butt cheek and make the right one jealous (but then again taking one on the wobbly sponge for the blue team probably gets you off).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i9 9900ks"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Different users use different programs and see different end performance, so there is and never will be a fixed performance to apply a value to.

A user looking for the absolute fastest gaming performance isn't going to be looking at the same performance as a user looking for the best rendering CPU.

lol whattttt?? I mirrored these thoughts probably 3 times now and you continue to reintroduce this pointless rhetoric again and again.

Don't make the mistake of thinking AMD wouldn't do what Intel did with no competition.

again the squandered rhetoric

Ummmm the current Windows scheduler was implemented at the request of AMD to improve low thread usage programs by ensuring they would be run on the best cores on a CPU.

It is by AMD design not an inefficiency.

A bottleneck is hardly an implemention set in motion by a simple request from AMD. Some improvements with kernel components for a workable solution is not a solution bur poorly executed mismanagement of supplementary core/thread execution. It's a given some further tailoring to this old kernel hag will deliver more flattering results but it does beg the question, why so slumber.

"at the request of AMD" - if AMD says jump, does MS jump? Current performance and scalability suggests negative.

The only hope for the market to get out of the current coopetition is open sourced designs from RISC-V or OPENPower, or the trade war to end and China to start shipping Sugons THATIC Hugon Dhyana worldwide now that AMD broke their end of the JV.

Fantastic! Another set piece of technological discovery from the TECH TIMES WORLDWIDE NEWS NETWORK of prophecised browni points. Royalty hard-**** and impending possibilities are points of discussion worthy of note when perceptibly available. Beyond that let's stick with the i9s "MARGINAL" performance increase for a larger than life asking price which is under serious scrutiny. Fingers crossed, since I've always enjoyed intel in the past and continue to support a KB quad chippie lets just hope there's a 9900-super in the wings too. Super reasonably priced that is.

For the record Intel willfully held the market back for years because AMD insisted on building a backwards designed CPU architecture and refused to alter that design.

ok lol, once again only a MARGINAL increase in performance for an extortionate, hoodlum, fatty inflated and violently extravagant cost. Evade the principle all you like, conceal the value joy of the narrowly performing alternative as you please, but know this most us practical folk will not be duped, nor will we succumb to this sort of amplified exaggeration.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i9 9900ks"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Performance between first through third generation is similar to a three generation jump in Intel when they were changing architectures.

wow. Thank you for the history lesson, now back to current times

(....what an excellent generational adaptable climb on the same socket, the envy of my eyes for the earlier adopters)

And if that real world performance favors the Intel then the value of the AMD is lowered by its lower performance

same monotonous approach with each of those statements whilst agreeing with my primary assertion ".....with AMD offering better value and intel marginally rolling out ahead but only investable if real-world performance in user specific workloads is palpable....."

But that's to be expected when disregarding the 'marginal' increase in performance for a 'vastly' costly bite into the hard working mans saver. Utter nonsense if you ask me.

  1. Show me progressively elevated performance margins where your intel nepotism deserves some applaud?

  2. Even better show us some form of justifiability for splurging around $500 (i9 & adequate cooler to hit 5ghz) over a $329 3700X? Thats essentially $150-$200 more over the alternative. For a more charitable approach, lets call it evens stevens at $160. Show us this momentously historic performance advantage we can achieve for $160?

I believe it's rather distasteful to alienate either of these companies but regardless, when taking overall performance (incl. cost) into account, it's rather disturbing to see a coerced preference with blind partiality. Big margins make bigger noise, all i'm hearing from you is senseless whistle breezes with a miniature intel blue flag on top your foiled wooly hat. Honestly, get out of Intels cadet adventurism and sober up to some of the finer realities which are applauded by a growing market segment of "happy" customers ($160 richer).

"lower performance" is laughable at this stage. The english dictionary is full of wonderful opportunities for a more constructive and definitive connotation/undertone. A loosely applied "lower" opposed to "marginal/borderline" or in various environments "negligible" is evident in itself with deliberate BIAS painted all over the face. It’s a given, some code’fied applications will favour ST hence those who are equally enthused by the opportunity are free to pursue. Otherwise, sounds more like a paid intel promotional pitch (oh wait, uh huh!). Try harder and you just might convince buyers into emptying their pockets. You'll need some better promotional material though, the 3700X is flying out like hot cakes on a cold winters Sunday afternoon.

And upgrade path is limited to next years refresh on 7nm EUV with AMD already stating the following generation is on a new platform.

GOLDEN!!!! Again the primitive use of the english language "limited" lol

Since value has no meaning from the school of intel nepotism (in your opinion), the upgrade path here looks rather promising with increased transistor densities, greater efficiency and tremendously procured ultraviolet silicon fabrications. May just drop intel in the bin until next GEN, but oh no I bet you're not wired up that way, anything with red is detested either way and blue sees all the godly marvels. I can see why the intel CPUs see little change in cost over time, regardless of value, the anti-value brigade is truly loyal.

Having 12/16-cored parts is an interesting option but also having them limited by Windows scheduling everything onto a select few of those cares limits practical usages where they are a benefit over AMD's own Threadripper platform which isn't limited in such a way.

The 3950X is in the same boat as the 3900X offering no more per core performance then any other 3000 series Ryzen

Another school playground tactic. Why even bother mentioning "per core performance" when the emphasis is as clear as day in transparent reference to multi threaded workloads. The windows scheduler is yet another low blow, and out-of-context defeatist argument knowing fully well the schedulers inefficiency is primarily a negating factor at the code level (MS). Something, not a lot of anticipation is required, seeing further implementation for greater improvements are inescapable. At this point, even a minor tweak puts intels current MT reserves out of balance hence one must question why Windows fails to fully exploit supplementary threaded throughput. If you're going to start pointing fingers at CCX/spread latencies/voltage incongruity, don't bother, it would only demonstrate the bigotry further.

A one choice economy is a one choice economy no matter what that choice is and bad for everyone involved.

Again the loosely applied english antics. In your case, there is no place for economic singular exclusivity.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i9 9900ks"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

(1-2-3 GEN) "small gains"?

"Lower performance"?

This type of perceptive and mysteriously sharp language exhaustion is usually based on premeditated favouritism, or unqualified BIAS. Thats coming from someone who is currently carrying a kaby lake intel gaming chip with no forthcoming persuasion to switch over or upgrade any time soon.

Try "both AMD and INTEL are delivering excellent performance, with AMD offering better value and intel marginally rolling out ahead but only investable if real-world performance in user specific workloads is palpable or if overclocking is a requisite". A more of an honest assessment opposed to unrealistic predisposition.

"lower cost" - not entirely. In certain user specific core multiplicity workloads, the 3900X option drops the i9 excursion in it's tracks. The X570 AM4+ premium-charged socket may reap further havoc with an open opportunistic upgrade path, greater expandability and the inbound 3950X is testament to this.

"Lower performance?" - A subjective conundrum in 2019! Don't fool yourself with generalised assertions. Unless real world workloads are bested with either option per user specific applications or single thread code optimisations (there are a handful favouring intel), lets not simplify performance across the board. In various workloads, the 3700X delivers the same performance at a far lower cost with trifling disctinctions, with the 3900X surpassing the competition in other multi thread environments.

Gilroar, speculatively speaking, be reasonable. It's good for the economy :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i9 9900ks"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Difference being it will cost more than a 3700X and will require a premium cooler for intels undisclosed TDP rating which could potentially demand an additional spend of $50+. Nothing to be excited about and doesn't challenge the value proposition offered by AMD by any means and the Ryzen stock coolers shouldn't be invalidated either, as these are more than capable of achieving respectable boost clocks for the value purchaser.

  • 9900
  • 9900K
  • 9900KF
  • 9900KS
  • whats next? 9900-SUPER? It doesn't matter as the average buyer who fits the majority is usually more leaning towards best value opposed to incrementally marginalised performance touch ups. That's where the efforts should be, but intel fails to impress yet again.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Opinions?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Intel till you die? That's probably the most patriotic statement I've ever seen. Something that shouldn't exist in 2019 when AMD is whooping intels buttcheeks with parallel performance for less with prospects to invest more serious money elsewhere.

In my opinion, its not about whats cheaper or brand value, but achieving the highest level of performance without having to waste money.

Seeing your other threads, and plenty of good advice given already, I don't believe you're after opinions. In one of your posts you suggest the build is for streaming and rendering 4K. Others have already informed of the performance benefits of taking a dual memory kit. Thats gone ignored. Streaming and hardcore rendering possibilities with a Ryzen 3900X surpasses the performance of a i7-9700K by a LONGGGG shot. Ignored. A couple of other excellent recommendations are also ignored.

Forgetting AMD for a second. For lesser performance, lesser future upgrade possibilities, in the least drop that measly 9700K and take the i9-9900K. If you don't understand why this has a significant impact in multi-threaded workloads with streaming whilst gaming and rendering, pause for a bit and look into how processors respond to current demands to avoid performance penalties.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming pc"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

how did you drop a $2000 budget to half with inferior selection of parts for a gaming and streaming build. 660p is ok but for a few bux more you can grab a much better quality storage with much better endurance. A 2080 ti to a 5700 XT? Thats a kick in the teeth. Affordability and comfortably hanging around at 1440p is not enough when you have a huge budget to play with. What about future proof investment? What if the buyer desires higher FPS with top notch settings? Horrible case choice for this type of budget. A cheap plastic-done case resembling a nice overall design doesn't cut it for $2000. That motherboard is barebones, why wouldn't you upgrade to a X570 with greater future possibilities. FAIL!!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2080TI 4K build, thoughts on motherboard?"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point
  1. Why is Ballistix LT better compared to Corsair Vengeance? Source?

  2. The 2070 SUPER will suffice but barely hangs on 60fps on higher settings. Its more of an entry level GPU for 4K gaming for users looking to max out game preferences.

  3. Higher capacity PSUs are not necessary. A 550W unit with Gold rated efficiency (85% plus) and decent internal arrangements for heat and passthrough regulators, and newer JAP capacitors, is simply more than enough for a long term solution. Corsair RM and Seasonics are quiet enough to challenge any wattage tier at any front.

  4. Mid tier B450/X470s are good options as long as these are 3rd GEN 3000 READY boards. If not, these will require a BIOS update prior to using the 3600 chip (either flash button update without a CPU or using a previous gen processor). The alternative being an X570 motherboard, or an MSI B450 MAX option when MSI decides to release them in the US market.

I wonder what the OP is using in terms of display. Is this a 4K60 TV? or are you yet to purchase a display?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Trying to Upgrade Pc Build."

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

You can buy aN RTX 2080 TI for less than the 1080 TI LOL. You seriously need to rethink your build through.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Trying to Upgrade Pc Build."

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

$1250 for the 1080 TI. That's insane, thats day light robbery. Why the 1080 ti when you can buy the RTX 2080???

What type of tasks are you running with this system?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$2000 Gaming and Streaming"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

:)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What do you guys think(new to this first PC Build, will build this summer.)"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

as i said i doubt hes planning on overclocking. xfr wont do much either with any of those budget boards with lower grade mosfets, cheap capacitors with average power filtering. these conditoions are fit for the 2600 @ stock but highly questionable for an eight core SMT alternative. Just case airflow shifting over these VRMs does the job.

a budget board with cheap VRM cooling (almost uneffective) in similar cost regions isn't going to make any difference for the 2600. A more premium six phased+(doublers) b450/x470, north of $120, and capable of drawing 180W+ where VRM cooling becomes necessary........unless the buyer is planning on overclocking on cheaper budget boards which is silly if you ask me.

zen+ uses a whole host of factors in determining best performance when it comes to XFR. Cheaper boards under the $100 range are a limit in themselves as to how well the chip scales. The throttle exists whether its a cheap VRM cooler or no cooler on these boards with tiny unmeaningful differences.

If anyone is worried about VRM cooling (maybe for upgrading to a more powerful CPU later), you shouldn't be looking at any board in the $80 range in the first place.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What do you guys think(new to this first PC Build, will build this summer.)"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

I doubt hes planning on overclocking. Some decent case airflow is sufficient for the VRMs coolaid with a 2600 @ stock

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What do you guys think(new to this first PC Build, will build this summer.)"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

In massive agreement with the above!

The 1050 TI is pants compared to the RX 580. If the budgets a problem, the RX 570 4GB puts the 1050 TI to shame. We're talking about 30% increase in performance and these cards are available for as little as $140

[EDITING POST] oh pants!! Where have i been. Just checked current costings for the 570. $130 and 2 free games on newegg https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131717&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

You'd be mad to consider otherwise

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$2000 Gaming and Streaming"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

its an encoding standard.

X264 = cpu - software encoding

Nvenc = gpu - hardware encoding

For live streams Nvenc does have additional benefits nowadays but to bag them, an RTX card would be required. All in all, an 8 core CPU with double the threads is the safest option with least problems.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$2000 Gaming and Streaming"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

You can pre-select to use either the CPU or the GPUs cores for encoding stream material.

For example with a potato under the mill kinda CPU and pacey GPU combination, you can switch the encode controller to run via GPU for better performance.

If you have a capable CPU for encoding like the Ryzen 2700X (8C/16T), theres no need for GPU streaming. For a gamer, GPU resources are best commited to gaming quality and should only be shared if the CPUs processing capability is limited.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Boot Drive Not Detected"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

"Also just curious what you meant by username confession, lol."

Your username: somedumbguy lol got me worried there

"How do I reformat the drive?"

  1. After you've checked and confirmed the storage controller is set on AHCI in BIOS

  2. and you've disconnected any additional storage added (basically unplug the SATA cable either from the motherboard or the device). Only your primary storage device should be connected.

  3. Then its a simple case of reinstalling Windows, the same way you did it originally either using a disk or USB pen. When the installation starts, a window will pop up with your drives and partitions. You will get the chance here to fully delete all partitions and format the drive completely for a fresh install

Hope that helps

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Boot Drive Not Detected"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't know whats more concerning, the freeze or the username confession lol

jk..

If it's early days with the windows installation. Re-install windows and in the start up process format the drive.

A) Before doing that, pop into bios and set everything on default. B) when installing OS, only keep the primary boot drive connected (unplug any additional storage devices. you can add these after the installation is complete) C) If its an SSD, make sure the SATA controller in BIOS is set to AHCI. Do this before the format and reinstallation method.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Switch it up! Open to opinions!"

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

If your short of affording a 2080 whats with the SSD storage? the second list shows the 2070 as already purchased and your debating financing a 2080?

Youve got more storage in your current rig to give CIA data banks a run for its money. You dont need 970 for gaming either

Whats wrong with your current display? wanting to go hi-res?

I'm puzzled here, throw me some rope

I don't even know if you own some of the parts in the second rig, or do the purchase markings confirm actual ownership. Fro example, it says i5 purchased and then your consulting yourself with the i7 and i9 by selling the i5, which obviously confirms the ownership but the uncertainty ensues. Maybe i'm losing my marbles, My heads hurting.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$2000 Gaming and Streaming"

  • 8 months ago
  • -1 points

FIRST OPTION IS HEALTHIER

GPU-based encoding doesn't compete here at any level. It's a gaming play off on graphics tolerance. A 16 threaded 8 logical core Ryzen in these unpredictable conditions is a blast and will rip undie holes on n-waank

some extra toppings for a sizzler with a 2700X, X470 suit and a higher clocked and O-clockable graphics card

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $458.70 @ Newegg Australia
Motherboard MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard $207.00 @ Austin Computers
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $146.69 @ Amazon Australia
Storage Samsung - 860 QVO 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $161.00 @ Centre Com
Video Card MSI - GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card $437.80 @ Newegg Australia
Case Cougar - MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case $58.00 @ Umart
Power Supply Antec - Earthwatts Gold Pro 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $105.00 @ IJK
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $157.00 @ Shopping Express
Monitor AOC - C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $278.00 @ Shopping Express
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2009.19
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-25 14:59 AEDT+1100

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Whats the difference between the NZXT H500 and the NZXT S340?"

  • 12 months ago
  • 1 point

Step 1: Don’t force air through two small gaps at the top and bottom of the case, air doesn’t like 90 degree turns.

Those are not small gaps where the opening width almost hits 1 inch on either side with zero funneling obstructions (unlike a number of other mid-tier shelved units). The opening is wide enough for the fans to breath comfortably without the supposed and amplified notion of "90 degree turn" limitations which are at times overtly expounded. Air velocity and CFM should not be confused here with lesser air choked unforgiving vents where the CFM/RPM ratio can project higher turbulent or pressure points. Something NZXT tackles very well with their recent line up of cases.

Step 2: The top of the case should allow more than one fan (it sure as hell can fit with a mid-tower)

Unnecessary for the vast number of consumers. The added mounts beyond a 2x2 (in/out) configuration is more inclined towards the <1% "enthusiast/aesthetics" criterion or the adventurous "extreme" overclocker who is willing to spend more in exchange for little added performance (negligible in most instances)

This is nothing more than a preference and does not subject the case to any meaningful measure of inadequacy.

Step 3: Mesh panels instead of a solid steel, or other ways to add other airflow paths than the top and bottom (ie side cutouts)

Again, overtly expounded theoretics. For the vast many, it doesn't mean anything but for a tiny handful it may mean the world but not always in a practical-sense. Ultimately, it's border line fringed improvements which seperate the 2 cases and both offer other features/aesthetics which are more imposing for buyers (a valid process amongst affirmative case options).

I only hold a strong view in favour of the S340 ELITE as I was expecting far more effective curved performance advantages with the Meshify C. A negligible range of thermal profiteering simply does not overshadow a rival offering with "poor quality airflow". Thats a far fetched underestimation on your part which also begs the question whether you've had the privilege of working with this case.

Oh and the default configuration for the S340 Elite fans is absolute ***. Two exhaust fans and no intake? Genius for GPU thermals

lol that was just a dig for the sake of it! Case fan orientations are not fixed and assuming you are fully aware of that already, we'll let that slide. If you are familiar with NZXTs marketing schemes with these later case editions, the inclined method is to encourage AIO support/expandability hence the vacant front mounts. If someone is building PC's and is unfamiliar with fan-orientation possibilities and the freedom to remount for an I-O config, the onus is on them.

My S340 Elite had my GPU fans kicking in at minor load when it shouldn’t be, while my Meshify C is fine. Your GPU wants a lot more airflow than a CPU and gets a lot hotter

lol my EVGA 1080 TI SC -1st edition (poorly optimised custom PCB but workable HSF) didn't have that problem on idle or through general productivity. If it did, lol those conditions are the least of everyones concerns. At game-level performance or the emergence of GPU encoding/rendering is where i'd be interested to form comparisons, where temps hold more weight in establishing "cause for concern". Anyway, it doesn't matter if you are "personally" witnessing some performance advantages which you are happy with (I'm happy for you too lol). But the key principle here being its simply not correct to form an ill-advised opinion, asserting "The S340 Elite also suffers from poor airflow" - not true!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Whats the difference between the NZXT H500 and the NZXT S340?"

  • 12 months ago
  • 1 point

Wow, and I upgraded to the Meshify C from the S340 Elite with almost zero thermal difference, 1-2c at best on max loads which is not worth mentioning.

Some of these assumptions are almost laughable. What on earth do you refer to as "good quality airflow"? Please don't say "in-take front panelled mesh" as if it were the only solution for sufficient/great airflow.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Whats the difference between the NZXT H500 and the NZXT S340?"

  • 12 months ago
  • 1 point

S340 ELITE:

  • the Airflow is great whether 1x1/2x2 intake/exhaust. Had it not been for the more pleasing minimalist H500, I would be recommending this case in 2019!

  • the build quality is great for a mid-tier premium build for under £80 (although priced higher in 2018). In fact, coming from a whole line of superior build quality cases (Fractal Designs prior-2016 offerings, Phanteks, etc) the S340 may trim a little weight but sure does pack a punch for its overall design layout, build quality and cable management.

  • Great AIO cooler support (280mm rad max)

So what on earth are you talking about? WHO ARE YOU? lol

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need help with peripherals"

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

Whats the build for?

Any particular reason why you chose the G7 board and not G5? If it's overclocking calling the shots, take the G5 as it's more than capable to draw max performance from lower OC contrived AMD chips.

Depending on your purpose of use, as a gamer myself, I would downsize where ever I can (maintaining performance) to get my greasy hands on GSYNC. At 1440p, GSYNC is ever so more noticeably smoother which adds real upgrade-value for performance alongside experiencing more comfortable graphics viewings.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "The Glorious Nippon Gaming Build"

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

EXCELLENT! But lol.....

I would take the 8700K and stick with the 1080 card for now. What was recommended previously was 'you're better off placing the over-spend for a 2080 TI opposed to other overkills'. Personally, as a gamer myself I would be more than happy with a 1080 card with 1440p GSYNC display. A little later, when the 2080 TI or AMDs newer cards hit the shelves without demand skyrocketing prices as if it's the 4th of July, you'd be in a better position to make a more valuable performance ratio decision. Hanging on a 1080 for 4-6 months won't be shy of performance for current gaming demands. But saying that, if you have the money and want the best gaming performance now, the 2080 TI offers a very nice performance return.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$2K USD Balanced Setup, can you help improve it?"

  • 13 months ago
  • 0 points

User reviews are not necessary to determine dependability and performance-consistency.

Test-bench raw analysis by credible third-party reviewers is where the real magic materialises. In that district, the BR series units passes with flying colours as an entry level and mid-tier functional units.

DC-DC 700W converters with veritable build quality and performance for a build likely to use 300-450W max (incl. future upgrade headroom), the BR is simply an incredible and affordable decision for practical minds.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$2K USD Balanced Setup, can you help improve it?"

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

If it's gaming and streaming, especially for gaming performance take the faster single core 2700X. The $30-$40 stock cooler included with this chip is more than adequate and will allow some headroom for overclocking. You can always get a more premium cooler later

2700X = lower latencies, improved Zen+ architecture and fabric, runs with better scalability on multi-cores without taxing single core performance. Some fancy the lower TDP 1700 for a cheaper solution cooler to overclock (MAKES SENSE!). Others prefer the superiority and added expense for faster cores, even if it means having to slap on a $50-$70 cooler to pick off the marginally superior clock frequency. Thats up to you.

Swapped the 2070 for Vega 56 card and added a 1080p widescreen freesync display, capable of hitting 75fps. 1440p does tax the GPU heavily. Although its workable with turned down game settings over time but if you want a more scalable option for the years ahead (future proof), a more resilient graphics card with a lower demanding resolution will easily chew up games at the best of their configured top-settings. This also allows headroom to achieve freesync which is not something a gamer with a $2000 budget should go without.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor $309.89 @ Amazon
Motherboard *Gigabyte - X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard $159.89 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $119.99 @ Newegg
Storage *ADATA - XPG SX6000 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $49.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $42.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card $447.45 @ Amazon
Case Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case $46.98 @ B&H
Power Supply EVGA - BR 700W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $64.98 @ SuperBiiz
Optical Drive *LG - WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $58.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System *Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit $103.85 @ OutletPC
Monitor LG - 29WK600-W 29.0" 2560x1080 60Hz Monitor $217.00 @ Amazon
Keyboard *Redragon - K552 Wired Gaming Keyboard $29.99 @ Amazon
Mouse *Redragon - M602 Wired Optical Mouse $15.99 @ Amazon
Headphones *Logitech - G230 Headset $34.00 @ Amazon
Other Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe $179.59 @ Amazon
Other Clifton Black Computer Desk $39.00 @ Amazon
Other Hodedah Armless, Low-Back, Adjustable Height, Swiveling Task Chair with Padded Back and Seat in Red $29.70 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1989.97
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $1949.97
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-01 22:43 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "The Glorious Nippon Gaming Build"

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

That looks like a "imma gonna spend like a spendaaaa" build rather than a gaming contrived requirement.

If gaming performance is the mighty word which defines the spend, why not go with a 2080 TI over-spend instead with a more currently adequate 8700K gaming chip. That's definitive performance secured in gaming horsepower as higher resolution panels are GPU-extreme opposed to the little gains you'll achieve with the 9900k. Even the i5 CL-series paired with a 2080 TI does it better. (now watch all the loose millenial-rumour-shafted bunnies jump up and start screaming 'bottleneck bottleneck lol - silly bees)

It's a great time to sell the 1080 too in exchange for a more rational overspend for a 2080 TI (when available).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking for opinion and compatibility advice."

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

nahhh, if it's processor GAME scalability on the line for 6-7 years, the IPC crunching i5 or i7 simply runs crop circles around the amd alternative.

Don't measure complex and latency-crunched cores and threads when it comes to gaming but keep your eyes on single core compute-scaling speeds which is where gaming thrives.

Coffee lake already offers 6 physical cores with simultaneously superior performance compared to the multi-core effective AMD speeds. Since the VASTTTTT majority of games only need 4 physical cores, and a tiny handful select titles use 6c, intel remains the top dog either way. For now, for tomorrow, for a week lata, a month, year, several years, until death does us part - PERIOD!

the 8 core 16 thread ryzen is only a sensible choice with streaming on the go. Or with non-gaming job-lots for faster hyperthreaded payloads through rendering.

I'd say pull up yur pants and muster up some additional dollars and steal an i5 or i7 gaming chip. Overclocks wayyyyyyy better than AMD too.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$3300 budget, strictly gaming. No edit, no stream."

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor $279.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler Thermaltake - Water 3.0 Ultimate 99.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $118.54 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $187.98 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $124.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $154.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card $789.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case $94.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $75.88 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit $103.85 @ OutletPC
Monitor BenQ - GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor $299.00 @ Adorama
Monitor Acer - XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor $599.99 @ Newegg Business
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $2953.87
Mail-in rebates -$65.00
Total $2888.87
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-31 22:34 EDT-0400

With your budget, I would wait for the 2080 TI and see if you can squeeze that in and also see if the end-year sales can trim those massively over-priced price tags. If workable, I would replace the above 1440p primary gaming display for a 1440p widescreen like this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fBvbt6/acer-predator-x34-340-3840x1440-120hz-monitor-x34-pbmiphzx

a 2080 ti and a 1440p widescreen makes me sweat in ma balls. No wait, thats me drooling over em lol

Then again, even if its not affordable, you can trim that build by preserving performance to pull them BEASTS in.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Vega 56 Aftermarket vs Vega 64 Reference"

  • 13 months ago
  • 1 point

For 144hz on a freesync panel you're restricted to a dynamic range of 75hz max. A freesync panel capable of higher refresh rates is exactly just that, higher "refresh rates" and not dynamic frame syncronisation. Thats the downfall with FREESYNC panels. Currently AMD's newer FREESYNC 2 adoption does compensate by allowing the dynamic range to extend to a max of 240hz but more on the expensive side of things as these panels aren't exactly mainstream yet. It's a common misconception amongst buyers, assuming a higher refresh rate display also means having a higher dynamic range. Can't blame them though, as AMD does a great job in loosely calling the refresh rate tech 'Freesync adaptive Sync'. You would assume it's referring to the dynamic range - NOT!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "upgrading"

  • 14 months ago
  • 1 point

but why?

What are you using the machine for? If it's gaming only, what is your displays resolution and refresh rate?

Are you experiencing any shortfalls in performance? Anything not running as well as it should be?

The i5-8400 is a magnificent chip for most casual tasks, gaming and even work-loads unless your specific requirements demand more power for rendering/transcoding (etc) or maybe you have a higher resolution display and the GPU's underperforming.

Unless you can specify the purpose behind the upgrade its super difficult to inform what would be best.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "upgrading"

  • 14 months ago
  • 1 point

WAIT - i may have misunderstood. Do you currently own the build linked above already or is this a list you put together yourself and want recommendations how to further improve before purchasing all parts? The link confirms you have already purchased the motherboard, correct?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "upgrading"

  • 14 months ago
  • 1 point

This looks fabulousssss - why upgrade? Unless you are experiencing shortfalls in performance in work tasks or games (or other), I can't see any reason to upgrade.

A little help is needed getting to understand the motivation behind the upgrades.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Productivity Killer - i7 9700k - NVME SSD - DDR4 - Thoughts?"

  • 14 months ago
  • 1 point

Are you gaming and streaming too?

Yes or no, for performance and longetivity I would consider the 8 core, 16 threaded 2700X from AMD which seems the better fit for your purpose of use and budget. The stock CPU cooler is pretty nifty too with added headroom for a little Overclocking which measures up to the intel non-OC scale. Your workflow is not absent of simul-HT where rendering throughput has a significant advantage and outperforms the current intel consumer-end non-HT approach. Admittantly, intel continues to hail above the competition for faster single core effective speeds but your CPU selection is absent of supported chipsets or cooler (budget maybe?) to benefit. To measure up, the 8700K would offer some relief but again the budget may fail to correspondiingly support a decent motherboard and cooler if overclocking is on the agenda and the loss of 2 cores on these chips is lesser future-bound. Unless your workflow or software task optimisation is single core speed savvy I would look no further than the 2700X (unless the budget grows significantly).

If the budget is open to the sky, intels newer i9-9900K takes the win in every possible scenario.

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