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Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 3600: $150 at Micro Center"

  • 21 days ago
  • 1 point

Microcenter got some insane deals on almost all their processors right now and some pretty good ones on other stuff.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Pair for 1660 Super"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Would help if you had a budget. Generically, I’d say either an R5 3600 or R7 2700 given the video card and that you’re doing some dev work.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Static stuff"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Unless you looked at it while shuffling socks on the carpet, you’re fine.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New PC Can’t Install .NET 3.5"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Probably, but I figured one of the two prior reimages would have fixed that. I also ran an SFC at some point that turned up nothing. Anyway, all’s well that ends well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Who even buy a mac pro ...... Srsly....."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Some creators are fans of the Mac ecosystem and the disruption from lack of user knowledge will cause more productivity loss than whatever time they’d save buying Threadripper.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New PC Can’t Install .NET 3.5"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Looks like a reinstall and just going straight to installing from the Windows Features worked. Unsure what was borked before.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New PC Can’t Install .NET 3.5"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

This is the first place I looked after it failed the first time. Checking it actually triggered the error installing it the second time I went about doing it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "9900k or 3900x?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

With video editing involved, the 3900X will be a better bet. It’s marginally behind in gaming, but you probably won’t even notice the difference playing Minecraft.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3900x installation question"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I’ve experienced this (the CPU turned out fine). Much better experience when the CPU was heated up for about half an hour. Slid right off.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 3500x vs Ryzen 5 3600 Opinions"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I’d avoid buying from there, but AliExpress seems far more reliable than Wish. They sell junk, but they tell you it’s junk before you buy it (if you can read tech specs). They don’t tell you you’re getting a gtx 1080ti when you’re lucky if you get a gtx 650.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Water Cooling Build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

From a pure price-to-performance perspective: Almost certainly not. For aesthetic reasons (including sound) and to maximize performance: Maybe. Do also consider it takes a lot of time, especially if you do a hard loop for your first build. Be prepared to waste a lot of tubing in that case.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will the RTX 2060 SUPER Be Compatible with My PC?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I mean, it would work, but that’s a waste of a good deal on that PC.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Motherboard Choices for Ryzen 9 3950x"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

The TUF only has two PCIE x16 slots connected to the CPU. The Taichi has 3. Of course, they don’t run in x16 mode, it’s only x8 (x4 on the third), but that still would remove a bottleneck if you’re populating the x16 slots.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Motherboard Choices for Ryzen 9 3950x"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I would say generally you’re correct. The one thing I’d consider, though, is that the lower end X570s do not unlock the full I/O potential of the Ryzen 3000 processors. As a creator, he may want to expand further, and that may be useful, so the Taichi would be a good value in that case.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

You raise some very nice points. Nice to meet a fellow who has been in the hobby for 20years plus. I built my first in 1998, 3DFX Voodoo 2 and Pentium 2. I wish I still had it as a keepsake, a relic from yesteryear. Starcraft and my dial up modem was my high school hobby.

We had the same system, if I remember correctly. Though, I must say, my dad was in charge of this thing back then, so some of the details are a bit murky. He was really into 3dfx.

At 1080p today this top rig three years ago is a middling performer - a PC today with similar specs is a Ryzen 5 2400G and a GTX 1660 Super.

This is true, but dropping a 5700 XT or 2070 Super in there would make it decent and with the resale value at a conservative $150, the marginal cost is only around $250. Buying a machine in 2016 and spending $250 3 years later for a significant performance boost is a pretty good deal. I've given this significant consideration, and part of it comes down to how you budget and how you want to spend money. I'm going to test out consistent upgrades from now on, like maybe every other gen on CPU and every gen on GPUs. That way your rig can stay at the same class of performance while spending smaller amounts here and there (used parts also tend to drop in value exponentially at certain points). Some people would prefer to just buy a super powerful machine and hope it works for 6+ years for whatever they use it for and then build whole new rigs.

With 30-50% average performance increases every gen over the past 10 years or so, that's probably a pretty safe assumption. Main threat right now is AMD and Intel's core wars. The thing is that, unlike the Gigahertz wars, software still needs to be optimized to run on high thread counts, so that actually helps older processors with untapped potential. The question here is one of marginal value. If you want a PC that will last a long time, then it is likely that, due to greater software optimization, higher core count CPUs will gradually outpace lower core count rivals from the same generation. While the 3900X won't look like the beast it is today, it's likely greater software optimization will gradually "unlock" greater potentials, make those Cinebench scores more relevant.

Gaming is capriciously malevolent with CPU's. I remember the FX 8350, a glorious 8 core CPU, being outperformed in gaming by a Dual Core i3 or even Pentium (that one Skylake chip that could be overclocked). Unbelievable it could be the case. The 3950X while undoubtedly completely overkill for gaming, 3 or 4 years from now you never know. I doubt it given the consoles will be getting what is a lower TDP version of the Ryzen 2700X. But still, console vs PC is apples to oranges, hard to say how the industry will move.

The problem the FX series had is that it wasn't just slightly weaker with more cores: It was a lot weaker. AMD went so far in on cores, they had total trash IPC and overall core strength. By the time Zen 1 was released, Intel's cores were so much stronger than Intel's, it was just a joke.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Let's put this in perspective, then. We're talking about upgrading an X570 from a Ryzen 2000 series to a 4000 series. You're worried because there was some problems upgrading from an Excavator CPU based APU to Zen 2 (and I doubt this is as simple as you state given that AMD seems to have not known this was a problem and it seems like a pretty basic problem to test). And we're talking about this because I mentioned it might be interesting as a possible upgrade path for a budget conscious hardware enthusiast who might have some extra cash next year? People aren't going to be loading up their new BIOS in a year's time and breaking them this way. If it was even possible, there'd be a giant notification on the BIOS download page.

And, let's just get real, I'd rather have to deal with problems stemming from supporting 5 (counting EXCAVATOR) different generations of product on one socket than Intel's two generation on one socket deal where they'll break compatibility for basically no reason at all.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

They didn't sacrifice the first generation in the manner I described upgrading. You're talking about backwards compatibility and I'm talking about forwards compatibility. It's literally opposite things.

Bottom line: Has AMD released a BIOS that break compatibility with an older gen on a newer board?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Build the best PC you can afford today and upgrade it as and when necessary. The PC hobby is lossy, your hardware depreciates rapidly and gets quickly outdated. The best PC built 3 years ago is struggling with games today.

While future proofing is a flawed concept: When was the last time this happened? I remember it being the case 10-20 years ago when we're going from the first 1 GHz CPU to 64 bit to quad cores. Yeah, if you bought a top of the line PC in 1999, it was probably trash in 2002, maybe worthy of web browsing and playing old games. In 2016, you got a 6700k and a 980 ti. While a 980 ti is showing its age now, it still goes for about $150-200 on eBay and is an ok performer at that range. The 6700k is perfectly acceptable as well.

DDR5 Ram will be coming shortly.

It's unlikely DDR5 will come to mainstream desktop until 2021 and the performance difference won't be seriously noticeable until a couple years after that. AMD may choose to throw it on to X670 if possible, but I doubt it will be, and if it is, that would only extend the 3950X's useful life.

You can sink $750 on the 3950X and three years from now it could be barely adequate.

Press X to doubt. Seriously, 3 years is the shortest refresh cadence I've ever heard of working in tech infrastructure and it applies to garbage laptops that weren't even good when you bought them. The only shorter cadences I've heard of are super serious professional video renderers and the like and they're buying stuff better than the 3950X because time is money and $2000 for a 3970X is nothing to them. Even most professionals would be more affected by the downtime in practice than saved render time.

Buying high end hardware tends to last you a while if you're not very sensitive to every performance jump.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

X570 doesn't feature support for first generation Ryzen at all is what I'm referring to.

Yeah, like I suspected, this literally has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting in buying a 2600. You're suggesting a MoBo vendor is going to release a BIOS update that will break compatibility on an existing chip. What you're actually talking about is a new, high end chipset not supporting two generation old hardware out of box. So, yes, if he plans to drop his 2600 into a 600 series chipset, it likely won't work. And I'd seriously question anyone who suggested doing it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

As far as I can tell, this is mostly a problem with a lack of official support from AMD on 3 series motherboards for Zen 2. Which is a different problem, and most board partners just seem to get it to work anyway. There’s also the problem with some cheap B450 boards not having enough room on the BIOS chip, but that’s hardly AMD’s problem some of their board partners cheaper out. There are also multiple solutions to that:

  1. Just buy a 3600 if you’re uncomfortable.

  2. Buy a MoBo with BIOS flashback.

  3. Get an upgrade kit from AMD when Gen 4 comes out.

Quite frankly, you just seem obsessed with finding any reason at all to dislike AMD products. Very few people will encounter any problem at all upgrading from a 2600 to a 4000 series, if they buy a decent X570.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Can you put a Ryzen 5 2600 into an X570 board today? Yes. Assuming Zen 3 is on AM4 (which nearly everyone I have found is assuming at this point), you should be able to run a BIOS update and plop in the 4950X or whatever they’ll want to call it. If you’re worried the latest BIOS update will ruin your performance, you can always wait to just update until you get the new CPU. You don’t need to have the latest BIOS. In fact, usually it’s recommended against updating unless you have a reason to do so.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point
  1. Future proofing is a flawed concept.

  2. That being said, the higher core count will likely start showing superiority before the end of the CPU’s lifespan. Especially if you ever get into stuff besides gaming.

  3. Neither of these options are budget options and both perform very well.

  4. I think PCIe 4.0 is underrated if we’re talking a long term build. If you buy the top performing GPU each gen, in about 4 years I expect 3.0 will be saturated.

  5. For “future proofing,” I honestly thing the best thing to do right now is buy a Ryzen 5 2600/3600 with an X570 Motherboard and wait for Zen 3 to come out and upgrade to a Ryzen 9 at that point.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I'm new to pc desperate need of help lol"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Pretty much. I’d change to this case just because it’s basically the same thing, but cheaper: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b7hmP6/nzxt-h510-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-h510b-b1

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I'm new to pc desperate need of help lol"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

There’s only so many open I/O slots and having the option without having to purchase a SATA expansion card is a bit easier for most people. Though, I imagine very few people attach 8 drives to their computer.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I'm new to pc desperate need of help lol"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points
  1. Some CPU heatsinks block some RAM slots. One advantage of AIOs is this is never the case, so you’re good.

  2. Using an m.2 drive might lock some SATA ports. You’d have to refer to the manual to determine which slots are incompatible. In practice, with one drive, you shouldn’t have to worry.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cannot fit IDE HDD"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

It’s difficult to really see. It looks like some of the pins might be bent on the HDD side, but it might be the angle. One thing you might want to check is the jumpers. To boot from it, it needs to be a master.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Do mobo manufactures and case manufactures measured the mobos differently"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

EATX is a pretty loose standard that basically just means “bigger than ATX.”

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Nvidia GPU Suggestion"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

If by “under $500” you mean literally anything under $500, 2070 Supers go down to $490 for the Zotac 2070 Super Mini. If you’re actually looking to go down a price level, you can find 2070s for mid $400s and 2060 Supers for around $400.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "1440p 144z Necessary Parts"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Nothing will do that consistently for all games. The closest you will get, though, is a build with an i9 and a 2080 Ti. A 3950X would also be really close.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Red Dead Redemption 2 Benchmark."

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

2070 Super gets set to Medium? These graphics better look AMAZING on ultra.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i press the power button of my PC and it doesn't turn on, but i press again and it turns on, is this normal? somebody please explain me"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I/O stands for "input/output" and the front I/O is the inputs and outputs on the front of your case, including the power switch.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Smallest Mini ITX Case with SFX PSU and no GPU?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

The Velka 5 has space for an SFX PSU and a graphics card, but is 5.7 Liters: https://www.velkase.com/products/velka-5

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Upgrading my existing CPU that will last me ~5 years"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

The 3700 will probably perform better in 5 years and will perform better in compiling, but both will probably feel sluggish in 5 years. It's difficult to know how long anything will last in tech, especially given the core wars going on now.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i press the power button of my PC and it doesn't turn on, but i press again and it turns on, is this normal? somebody please explain me"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, I wouldn’t be concerned about it. I work in IT support and I regularly hit power buttons and they seem to do nothing until you hit them a second time. The power button is supposed to trip a switch that tells the motherboard to tell everything to turn on and sometimes you press it a little wrong or for whatever reason it just doesn’t trip that switch as expected. It’s really nothing to worry about unless there’s other problems. If there’s no other problems, the only real solution is to replace the front I/O in the case.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Are large SSD disks worth it?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

The M.2 slots on most modern boards use the PCIe lanes unless there’s a SATA drive in them. The point of the PCIe in the name is to clarify it is, in fact, a PCIe drive as opposed to SATA.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Are large SSD disks worth it?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I think 1 TB of SSD is better than the old method. It’s nearly the same price at this point and you only lose 250 GB of storage.

2 TB is the point of diminishing return for SSDs and if you need that much, I’d still recommend a 1 TB SSD + 2 TB HDD (or more). The more programs on the SSD the better.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i press the power button of my PC and it doesn't turn on, but i press again and it turns on, is this normal? somebody please explain me"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Does it do this every time or just sometimes? If it’s sometimes, it’s not really weird because some power buttons just aren’t designed well and won’t trip the switch the way they should. If it’s every time, it’s kind of weird, but I’m still not sure it’s anything to worry about as long as when it powers up it posts and operates as normal. Is there anything else wrong with the machine?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Mini ITX Cases"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

It was a no brainer after I measured my carry on and realized the Phanteks case just wouldn’t fit and this one will fit perfectly.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Mini ITX Cases"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I’m looking forward to showing it off. Tentatively, we’re throwing a 3700X and 2070 Super in there.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Mini ITX Cases"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Ended up picking up the Velka 5.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which CPU would you guys reccommend more?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

If you live near a Microcenter, 2700X is a no brainer at $130. Anywhere else, same advice as everyone else about gaming vs editing.

Comment reply on Build Guide: Great AMD Gaming/Streaming Build

  • 3 months ago
  • 3 points

They used to be on here, but it broke a couple years ago and whatever happened is apparently mostly on the Microcenter side.

Comment reply on Build Guide: Great AMD Gaming/Streaming Build

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Wouldn’t another alternative be to get an R7 2700X? I’d think that would be less of a gaming hit than a 2060 (Super I’m assuming). I mean, 5700 XT series seems to clobber the 2060.

I have to say I’m biased, though, I’m just really not a fan of paying for the ray tracing hardware on the 2060 or 2060 Super.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3950X builds?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

The 3950X has the highest single core performance. Theoretically, if the scheduler is optimized, you can get max frames and stream at the same time. It’s tied with the 9900K in gaming. Is it worth it in terms of price to performance in gaming? No. But you clearly haven’t watched the reviews if you think you’ll LOSE performance by buying this CPU.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Mini ITX Cases"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

That Velka 3 is just a bit too small to fit any of the graphics cards I’d put in there, but that Velka 5 looks like a strong contender. Probably between that and the Evolv Shift Air.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3950X builds?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

AMD is still making a profit off those chips or they wouldn’t be selling them or making them and they have not given the signal that those are end of life. There’s more than one way to skin a cat and you’re essentially saying AMD should adopt Intel’s strategy of EOLing everything immediately for the sake of product segmentation. AMD would be foolish right now to change strategies totally from the guerrilla tactics they are currently using. They’re still way behind in market share and need to leverage every advantage while they have it. If they can still make money selling old chips, they should do so.

Also, Microcenter is the one taking a loss on that chip, not AMD.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3950X builds?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Woah, chill. AMD could also go for the kill on Intel by making 16 core CPUs a budget item in 2 years. Right now I can buy a 2700x for $130 at Microcenter. You have to be a diehard Intel fanboy to choose an i5 (or, worse yet, an i3) at that point. Intel will have a hard time releasing competitors and games will start supporting it more. These things have large margins and if production gets cheaper, AMD could seriously put the hurt on Intel by making lower core options just look silly.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3950X builds?"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Who knows how many of these things have been ordered and when the orders were placed. This stuff is an extremely well guarded trade secret. AMD could have easily made sure they had enough orders to cover any reasonable demand until more capacity becomes available.

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