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Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 white-theme build

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

Hi, no, it didn't but it wasn't much of a hassle all the same: I'm being lazy and copy-pasting from a reply above ;-)

Hi, yes, the board came with the third-most-recent BIOS version installed, and the -9400F needed the second-most-recent one, so I did need a BIOS update. Luckily the local PC place (MSY) where I got the board was happy to do that.

(Just another note on this: rather than install the CPU and try booting to find out if the BIOS version is the right one, you can usually find out online how to decode manufacturer serial numbers to learn the date of manufacture of your individual board, which then lets you find out which BIOS version it would have shipped with, and so whether you need the update, all without having to touch anything.)

Comment reply on dlee1124's Completed Build: My First PC Build (But it has a few problems..)

  • 26 days ago
  • 1 point

Ruling out a faulty case power button or front panel power cable is a good suggestion.

You can do it without needing a whole other case, too: just unplug the front panel power cable connectors from the motherboard and short those two pins, with e.g. a screwdriver. This works because it doesn't actually matter which way round the +ve and -ve power cables are connected (reset button ones either, for that matter, though it does for the power on and drive activity LED ones!)

If shorting the power pins works, then yippee, you do have a case power button issue, and the easiest fix would be just connecting the reset button's cables to the power pins (effectively turning the reset button into your power button, cause really who uses the reset button anyway?!)

Good luck with the troubleshooting!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: 4K gaming & streaming + video & photo editing

  • 29 days ago
  • 1 point

It's always a bit of a gamble and Ryzen has been pretty bad with memory overclocking in the past, but this kit ran happily at 3200MHz on this board after simply enabling the XMP profile in BIOS (no further tweaking required), which was really nice.

If I can offer some tips, things I've tried in the past in similar situations are: update BIOS, manually set frequency (maybe try 2933MHz for your 3000MHz kit), loosen timings and/or bump up voltage gradually (really just trial & error here)...

Sorry to hear it's been a pain!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Schoolwork and Strategy

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Hi, and thanks!

About the motherboard, the system has gone to its new owner and I've not heard about any issues (and I'm sure I would if there were any!).

You're right, there isn't much coverage of this motherboard, I think because it's a minor revision of an already-not-very-exciting budget model (the earlier non-F version).

Depending on what CPU you would like to install in it, I'd still happily recommend it though. The info available here suggests it functionally the same as the non-F model, which is functionally the same as the B350 model, which is apparently capable of handling a Ryzen 9 3900X without too much fuss.

So yes, if the price is right for this one, I reckon grab it :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: $200 for an i7 plus eSports gaming capability? Sure...

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks! They are great little things, and fun to work with - good luck with your build!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: 4K gaming & streaming + video & photo editing

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

The build has gone to its new home/owner, but no problems reported, so I'm confident it's all working fine.

The board is one of the best budget B450 options in terms of features and functionality: decent VRM design, heatsinks for all VRM components, four memory slots, two m.2 slots. And, testing has shown the older B350 version can handle a Ryzen 9 3900X alright. So, I wouldn't be too upset about budget forcing you to get this instead of a more expensive Gigabyte board ;-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Double Trouble

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Sorry! Sweet dreams...

Seriously tho, still can't believe I didn't notice this til near the end -_-

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: 4K gaming & streaming + video & photo editing

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks! I always hope the design choice breakdown will be useful :-) And yes, agreed, the m.2 drive's green PCB is unfortunately ugly - I always wonder how much it would cost manufacturers to black it out... I guess profit margins can be pretty slim!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 white-theme build

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, it's a good question. The answer depends partly on the games you are playing, and the resolution you are playing at.

In some cases, a faster CPU with more cores/threads plus faster RAM might let the 2060 Super produce a few more frames. But in general though, I would say no, don't worry too much about bottlenecking with this combination.

Here is an excellent test of this sort of thing. It's not exactly the hardware we're talking about here, but it does show how little performance difference there often is between mid-range and high-end CPUs when paired with mid-range graphics cards, especially at higher resolutions.

Hope this helps, and happy building! :-)

Comment reply on misterchristie's Completed Build: 12. Beautiful Blue Budget Build

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

This is super helpful, thank you so much! :-)

Comment reply on misterchristie's Completed Build: 12. Beautiful Blue Budget Build

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Nice!

Can I ask: how was your experience building in this case?

It seems like a wonderful budget option for ATX with tempered glass and decent airflow, so if building in it isn't godawful, it may become one of my go-to cases :-)

Comment reply on Brackman's Completed Build: TFT - TechFast Tower

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks for posting. Techfast's builds usually seem well-spec'd - for GPU and CPU at least - and their prices are often really low, so it's very interesting to get a look at one in detail. Pretty good!

Can I ask: did this arrive with the SSD loose in the bottom of the case like that? Not a big deal (not as if it's a hard drive!) but I'd be slightly miffed!

Comment reply on RrOnGaN's Completed Build: Ryzen 5 3600 + 2070 Super in Node 202

  • 3 months ago
  • 3 points

Nice! I love seeing well done Node 202 build :-)

Can I ask, did you get that motherboard because Gigabyte had enabled PCIe Gen4 support, and if so, what are you doing about the AMD micro-code update (AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABB) blocking that: giving up Gen4 support for the Sabrent drive, or just sticking with the older BIOS version?

EDIT: ah, nevermind, I see there is a Gen3 version of the Rocket too, my bad. Leaving the comment here anyway, just in case anyone else is wondering :-)

Comment reply on jon_peter's Completed Build: GameCube

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

Nice! Always cool to hear about workarounds and problem-solving. Thanks, and great build again :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Schoolwork and Strategy

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey, great! I have a high-end build lined up for sometime in the next few weeks, so all going well that should appear in due course :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 white-theme build

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh, and Gamers Nexus showed the i5-9600K having some stutter issues in Far Cry 5, so the -9400F would almost certainly have the same issues, given it is just a locked and lower-clocked version of the -9600K. So, if Battlefield V or Far Cry 5 are games you especially want to play, maybe consider a 6-core/12-thread Ryzen 5 CPU specifically to handle those smoothly.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Schoolwork and Strategy

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey, thanks! I always post my builds here, so hopefully the next one isn't far away :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Schoolwork and Strategy

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Wow, that $4.50 drive was a steal!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 white-theme build

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks!

About the i5-9400F, it won't bottleneck an RTX 2060 at 1080p, no. It's capable of getting pretty much everything out of even more powerful cards, like the GTX 1080 Ti. This is even more true at higher resolutions. So, I wouldn't worry about bottlenecking.

As far as stutter goes, Techspot recently showed the -9400F stuttering a bit in Battlefield V - a very CPU-intensive game - but most of the time it's fine, and even a tiny bit faster than e.g. the Ryzen 5 2600(X), which would be a natural comparison.

Lastly, when it comes to the i5-8400 vs the -9400F (or really any of that cluster of SKUs: -8500, -8600, -9500, -9600)... no difference. The clockspeeds are all within a few 100MHz of each other, and its the same underlying architecture, so real-world performance - especially in GPU-bound gaming - will be virtually identical, and it is definitely not worth spending the extra money for the slightly higher clocked models.

Hope this helps! :-)

Comment reply on jon_peter's Completed Build: GameCube

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

This is great! Can I ask, how did you mount the Noctua fan on the Wraith Stealth heatsink?

Comment reply on BBIowa's Completed Build: Big black hardware forces itself inside tight white case

  • 5 months ago
  • 5 points

Great, thanks for making dual tower air coolers look dirty to me.

What are those two heatsinks doing to that fan?!

Comment reply on kenley89's Completed Build: Industrial Cool

  • 6 months ago
  • 2 points

Beautiful!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: my Ryzen upgrade

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks! I'm happy on the Ryzen bandwagon too, loving the way this CPU rips through video encodes :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Warning! Most Powerful!

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Ah, I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure that yes, it did.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Warning! Most Powerful!

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, the CPU hit a maximum of 53C during Intel's XTU stress test, and the GPU settled at 72C during the 3DMark Firestrike stress test (check out the screenshots toward the end of my pics for this build). I didn't record ambient temp (and I'm honestly just not that scientific with my testing) but this build was done during Australian summer, so it was probably pretty hot!

Comment reply on ColdConduct's Completed Build: YouTube'n Machine

  • 6 months ago
  • 2 points

Great build and wonderful write-up, had me laughing :D

Comment reply on adambomb_'s Completed Build: Sleek NR400 Build

  • 7 months ago
  • 3 points

I've been hoping to see an NR400 build on PCPP, so was super glad to see your one pop up! Thanks for the case review, and the good photos too.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Warning! Most Powerful!

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, the biggest drawback of the Intel stock cooler in this case is the look - it's a rather ugly little lump! - but performance-wise it is perfectly fine in terms of both cooling and noise, since the locked i3 just doesn't run hot enough to really ramp up the fan, so given the person wasn't fussed about the look, there was no reason to spend ~$30 (or more) on an aftermarket cooler.

Sometimes the stock cooler isn't up to the job though, like with the i7-8700, and there I'd really recommend replacing it to ensure you get the full performance out of the chip (meaning Turbo Boosting properly rather than being limited by temps).

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: Warning! Most Powerful!

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks for the comment!

I really like the R3 2200G and have used it for other builds. For this one though, where the main goal was to play PUBG, an Intel CPU made more sense.

(Just as an aside, the R3 2200G and the i3-8100 have the same # of cores - four - and while the Vega 8 GPU in the Ryzen APU is heaps better than Intel's iGPU, the CPU bit of the APU is a bit slower than the i3-8100 in most workloads.)

About the RX 570 vs GTX 1060, the 570 is pretty much on par with the 3GB version of the card (the one is this build is the 6GB, so a touch faster) and it was definitely cheaper (and is even better value right now, i.e. 7/5/19, after some further price cuts), but again the main goal was playing PUBG, which made an Nvidia card the better choice. (PUBG just likes Intel and Nvidia better, sadly for Team Red!)

Comment reply on Transit_75's Completed Build: Flight Sim Build

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Looks fantastic! Lovely work.

I'd 100% agree with the thing about bread-boarding before doing the build proper. Really doesn't take that long, and can save so much time later if something is amiss. Plus it is kinda cool to have a deconstructed build spread out all over your tabletop!

Congrats on the build, and happy flying :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't recall any hassle with that during this build, but can always happen! Don't know if PC Part Picker lets you post photos in comments? Maybe helpful to see what it all looks like - maybe I (or some kind eagle-eyed person!) can spot what's wrong...

Comment reply on SumtinWong88's Completed Build: Walnut Wall-E

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Ha, yeah, I basically use PC Part Picker as my online backup storage for all my build albums :D

Comment reply on SumtinWong88's Completed Build: Walnut Wall-E

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Handsome!

Comment reply on Viscro's Completed Build: Tesseract

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

damn mate, that is excellent.

Comment reply on DarTroX's Completed Build: The Better Twin - i5 6400 / RX 470 Build

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Lovely photos and a great clean build.

Comment reply on Rukkerz's Completed Build: Simple Inverted Q500L Build

  • 7 months ago
  • 4 points

Cooler Master would be stoked to see someone using this case like they apparently intended!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey, thank you! About GPU temp in this case, it was OK but not the greatest, around low- to mid-70s during stress-testing with Heaven on loop, if I remember correctly (and that was on a fairly warm day)... not very scientific, sorry!

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey, this board's box had a bit of branding saying "Optimized for Intel 9000 processors", and I guess any other board that has that or something similar would work fine.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, yes, you do need a compatible CPU installed to do anything with the computer, including just accessing BIOS.

For the previous build, the shop I bought the board from was nice enough to do the BIOS update for me, presumably with whatever compatible CPU they happened to have on hand.

About the graphics thing, yes, the F-series completely lack graphics capability, so even once the board was updated to a BIOS version that supported it, I needed a GPU installed to get display out.

(To my embarrassment, I forgot about this when breadboarding for this build - i.e. putting everything together outside the case first to check it all works - and had a sinking moment before realizing I needed the GPU installed too to see anything... d'oh!)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 white-theme build

  • 8 months ago
  • 3 points

The computer won't boot if the motherboard's BIOS version doesn't support the CPU installed, no.

About the MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PLUS:

The CPU compatibility info says the i5-9400F is supported as of BIOS version 7B51v11, and the BIOS history says version 7B51v11 released on Aug 23rd 2018, just a week after the board itself launched, so, you are extremely likely but not guaranteed to get a board that supports the i5-9400F out of the box.

About an ASRock board, without knowing which specific model, I can't say anything much, but follow the same process I just did for whichever model you are considering and you should turn up relevant info :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

There is definitely a possibility.

I'm not familiar with Canada Computers, so I can't say for sure, but in Australia some sellers offer a free BIOS update service if you need it for stuff you've bought from them, and others will also do it while charging a small fee.

My suggestion would be to go in during a quiet time of day to ask, and hopefully they may even be able to do it while you wait.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Yes, you will need a compatible processor installed to do the BIOS update with this motherboard, and with just about all boards except for a few really fancy higher-end models that have the ability to flash BIOS from a USB stick without a CPU installed.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 white-theme build

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh awesome, very glad to hear that it helped! :-)

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, yes, I was this time, since the board came with a recent enough BIOS version. Last time though, I did need a BIOS update.

Comment reply on Sensible_Systems's Completed Build: Sensible Systems: i5-9400F & RTX 2060 build again (ain't broke don't fix it)

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, thanks!

About the 9400F, it is basically an updated i5-8400 with a very small frequency increase and no integrated graphics. I would definitely recommend it over the -8400 if you can find it for a fair bit less (and are willing to live without the iGPU).

Whether to get it or e.g. a Ryzen 5 2600 is a tougher question, but for a pure gaming system that you don't want to have to fiddle around with the get the best performance out of it, the -9400F would be my pick.

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