I feel so old when I see something like "selling their old Ryzen" because they aren't old yet, to me!
DC out 12V 1.2A
could probably plug speakers psu in there
+1 for your courage!
The lowest I would go is Windows XP. Compatibility issues and eternal reboots for every little change would steer me away from 98. I do use some 98 systems a couple times per year but I do not install that OS anymore!!
Wow! Very nice result, great work
as for temp-not-so-good that you mentioned: I think your psu exhaust is fighting off with the case fan intake at the bottom, am I wrong? The air is not flowing, so take that into consideration on your next version.
is it heavy? how much did it weight
I would totally game on that thing.
My bad! Silly me, I didn't check the board hahahah you're so right about the no output.
I vote for the 970, it will pair well with the i5. I'm thinking the iGPU must be better than a 8800 GT anyways
You probably know it by now but you can change the jumpers on edie drives to set it to master/slave/cable select. Most of the time I place it on "cable select" and oly if I get trouble I set it manually to a fixed position.
generally master is the end of the ribbon, slave is the mid-connector.
I'm lazy, I don't post them all LOL And sometimes I just don't feel like they deserve to be here.
for 5-6 frames I wouldn't change but 15-20, if it has a visible effect I would make the change for sure!
how perfect it has to be to be called perfect? Come on!
I wish I could do as good as you did with 350$
take all the comments and use them for your next build, not this one.
ram: dual channel is over rated, real world performance in a gaming pc with a discrete gpu is a gain of approx +2% with dual channel ram. No need to get 2 sticks, 1 stick is perfectly fine.
cpu: 8th gen i3 is a quad core already, getting an i5 isn't a must at this point. I would be curious to know the real gain from i3 to i5 versus the game you play.
gpu: there probably is a difference from 3gb to 6gb, but I know from 4gb to 8gb there isn't much. You will have less vram to load textures, tune that down in your graphic settings and it should be ok. If the 1060 performance pleases you, 6gb isn'r a real worthy upgrade in my opinion.
psu: I'm not fond of Thermaltake TR2 series, I'm sure it will work well for a while, but there are better options at the same price point. I'm staying vague on this one, just saying "could have been better" but I've bought several TT-TR2 in the past as well. None of them destroyed my components, as far as I know.
There will ALWAYS be "you should have" and such and yes big bucks can always improve something computer-wise. What you did with 350$ is already a nice stunt! Just be proud of your work.
STX! So hard to find
I love upcycle/recycle
i7 3rd gen still good, don't throw them away!
that's what I do too, 99% of the time.
...for all the minutes you worked on that tower!
nothing wrong with the ram, it's an old board/cpu that has triple channel memory
you tried and you built it, that's more than most will ever do
I agree with topic and choice of gpu! the ddr4 one is horrible (compared to gddr5).
I'm looking to build a minecraft computer for my daughter, not sure yet. But I have no idea what kind of GPU you need for that game although now I see you play with a GT710. I'm not familiar with Minecraft but all I know is I would leave it vanilla.
not going to get banned, but you can edit the windows part of your parts/description before Staff does it. It will save them some time, too!
I wish pcpp would offer a way to keep a tab on such projetcs. For now I use the good old brower's "bookmark" feature. Once in a while I stumble on build like yours and I find them inspiring, unusual, etc.
love it, great work!
And still have room for upgrade!! needs moar ram and faster spin
I had the same misunderstanding at first.
Also keep in mind every brand makes a wide range of psu, some better than others. Don't judge a psu ONLY by the 80+ certification. Higher ratings does not ALWAYS mean higher quality.
reality is much more complicated than what the labels say!
loved the story, it reminds me not all kids are hopeless! I've been a kid too, I need to remember that (always).
like Ninja said, the 80 rating is telling you how good your psu is at converting your AC current into DC current, when loaded with typical load of 50% of the capacity, meaning with 250 watts load in your case. You can stop reading here or continue for more explanations ;)
Let's do some math. Let's assume your computer will need 250w and that you have that 500w psu 80+ certified. You are now 80% efficient in converting the AC current you pull from the wall. Computer needs 250w of DC current from your psu, so you need to convert it at 80% efficiency thus incurring a loss of 20%. You should be pulling approx 312w from the wall to feed your computer because you waste 20% during the conversion from AC to DC.
If you had a 80+ Titanium, the rating would have been 94% for the same setup so you'd be pulling approx 266w from the wall to supply your computer with 250w from the psu.
Ok reading your question the only things that came to my mind in the last 15 seconds were:
read the manual, it explains how to use 1 or 2 cpu. I mention it because some pcie lanes aren't available when you have 1 cpu only. In fact, most of the pcie lanes and slots are disabled unless you have 2 cpu. Makes me think there is more than this and the manual can tell you.
other thing that came to mind instantly: ram. Make sure the ram is placed in the slots for a 2 socket config. Again, the manual is rather clear about that (as far as I remember). The ram config is different with 1 or 2 cpu.
I really hate that board for a linux use. Over the years I've had raid problems and only problems, dang software raid. I'm about to get an expensive raid adapter and plug all the drives onto it and reinstall the darn thing entirely.
The wait should be over soon. Well, at least other members of pcpp appreciate the result of your efforts!
I remember using them pc's, the smaller ones. I think I'm getting old lol
I'm too far for that option :( The only Black Friday related deal I saw this year would have been that Evga gtx 970 from the b-stock / mid-week madness at 99$ USD. Too late for me!
Bought a PSU from Evga lately and it cost me almost 2x the expected price, thanks to Canadian taxes. 20$ usd for the psu, but total ended at almost 48$ CAD because I had to pay 4$ taxes on the 20$ psu + the UPS broker fees (and the exchange rate was nearly 35%). Not gonna happen again, no more b-stock for me.
I take a loss on almost every pc made of old parts lol Simply because they are too old to hold any real (market) value. But I am just like you said, for endless building!
Everybody is nervous about your PSU but it already lasted 5 years?! I've seen OEM stop working (or blow up) in just months. Still, efficiency is crap and it's a very old model. I sure hope they updated it through the years becuse I think it was already available since 2003. Power standards have change da lot since then. Anyways, it's your computer and you do whatever you want.
I'm interested in getting your comments about the Toshiba P300? I mean real use, not synthetic benchmarks. Is it loud? hot? fast? Are you satisfied?
At work I only order i7 with 64gb of ram, which is the max supported. Same use as yours!
At this point I don't care what's running inside the desk. I'm glad I was sitting, would have fallen!
I didn't look at an all acrylic case in quite a while, nice job!
with your current setup and 2 front intake yes that's what I would do. I admit I don't know if it's the best options but trial and error, that's where I would start.
no more updates, a lot less personalization
When you will change your airflow or fan setting, consider having more intake than exhaust. If you create a positive air pressure, less dust will settle in. Reason is air will want to get out of there from every hole available. Result is less dust inside.
welcome to pcpp!
note: if you get lazy on cable management you will get crucified hahaha!
Holy geez!!! You have a lot lot lot more patience than I, for sure. I rebooted too many times in my life to ever touch win98 again. But I still admire your work and can totally appreciate the retro value of it.
Edit: VOODOO 5!!!!!!!!! So hard to find
I might play Starcraft and GTA2 on that weak computer, both games existed in a time of 32bits. I'll sleep on that tonight!
Edit: and since it's a low power (and low heat) pc I may put it inside a NES body.
retro!! In a matter of a few seconds you convinced me to install a 32bits OS on my Atom 230 build. It seems to be 64 bits capable but with such low performance and only 2gb of ram I think 32 is the way to go.
if you could rotate your cpu cooler by 90 degrees I think it would be better. Air flow from right to left would offer some cooling for RAM and VRM. nice build!
exactly the kind of adapter I use in old builds, giving an extra 4 ports (usb 3.0)
great build and thanks for all the thoughts and details
AMD A4-5000 it's an embeded APU, on the motherboard (with integrated GPU).
close the case or clean it lol
Hurray for mini-dtx case! uncommon but oh so useful for gaming GPU.